Killitary? Corey Mitchell Takes Aim and (mis)Fires?
Our pal Corey Mitchell over at ICB has recieved some national attention this week for a blog about our military forces coming home as serial killers and mass murderers. Read the USA Today recap (links included to Corey’s piece). To no one’s surprise, there’s been a firestorm ignited over Corey’s post.
Of course, we hate the war. Most CR readers do. But we love our troops and continue to pray for their safe return — as decent men and women, husbands and mothers, brothers and sisters.
Do you think Corey went too far? Did he shoot himself in the foot? Or do you agree with his Killitary thesis?
July 23rd, 2007 at 12:28 pm
I read the post. I wouldn’t say he went to far, though I didn’t agree wholly with his ideas. The stereotype of the unstable war veteran with all that training(ala Rambo) was a staple of fiction years ago. Knowing a great number of Vietnam veterans, I found none of them to be that way.
July 23rd, 2007 at 1:06 pm
I don’t think he shot himself in the foot. He stated more then once that he was not implying all soldiars come back as mass murderers or serial killers. People choose to take out of it what they want. That is what the news is good at. I personally think he is correct in the aspect that if people are already inclined to this sort of behavior they can certainly hone their skills in the military. On the same token they hone their skills with each crime.
July 23rd, 2007 at 1:53 pm
I think he over-stated, and I told him so in comments to the blog. I believe that soldiers who come home and kill were pre-disposed to killing in the first place. There are too many fine soldiers who serve and come home and get on with their lives — the military should not be blamed for supposedly turning the killers into “killing machines”.
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I agree with Corey’s point about the military not taking care of veterans after they leave the military. The recent news that combat wounded solders were being discharged for “pre-existing personality disorders” is a blatant example of how our government systematically shirks its responsibility to our veterans.
I also think that Corey’s post is a little misleading and off-base though, because not all solders are trained to kill. Some are trained to be truck drivers, dental technicians, cooks, or barbers. If the military has to make sure that veterans don’t become serial killers or mass murderers, than they should also be responsible to make sure they don’t become thieves or drug addicts or any other type of criminal.
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:43 pm
I thought Corey made many valid points. They break these guys in boot camp and DO turn them into killers, especially Marines. A lot of these guys coming back are NOT getting the help they need. My cousin came back from boot camp at Parris Island and got drunk and broke his mothers leg one time. And he hadnt even been to war. He was NOT a violent person before that.
There are mental issues that really do need to be taken care of with these men and women. Not all of course. But I think that everyone leaving should at least be evaluated to see that they are mentally fine. And if they arent then they should be getting help.
Do I need to put a disclaimer on this post saying that I dont hate the soldiers?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:45 pm
This is a tough one. I guess I’ll just say that we need to take care of all our soldiers when they come home. I mean we need to take REAL care of them when they come home, not just throw them a welcome home party and hope they can adjust to being home again.
I don’t claim to know what, if anything, is done for our soldiers when they come home, because I really don’t know. I just hope that the men and women who fight for this country are given whatever support they need.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:08 pm
It seems to me that this is entirely an empirical question. It could be a plausible hypothesis that serving in a war increases the likelihood of soldiers turning into killers back home, but it is not a question you can really answer without solid evidence.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pm
KDuba, I assure you they are not.
I have a friend that came back from Iraq a couple years ago and now he cannot hold a job or concentrate on anything.
Good looking kid, in his mid-30s with everything ahead of him and he was forced to be in therapy for the next few years to get over what he saw and what he had to do while in Iraq.
It is a sad situation for lots of our soldiers.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:56 am
I read his writings & regardless of whether I agree with everything he said or not, I feel free speech has been taken away by even his own personal blog being removed on the subject.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:03 am
What do you think this will do to his book sales? Up or down?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:20 am
I totally understood what he was saying. In no way did I think he was bashing the military at all. Those who did missed the whole point of the story.
In my opinion he was bringing up attention to something that needs to be addressed.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:55 am
Rayvyn Myst,
That’s just horrible. It really ticks me off, and I hope your friend is able to heal in time.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:09 am
I agree with a lot of Corey’s points also. To kill another human being is definitely a life changing event, or should be, to most people. To point out the few quotes by the men saying it wasn’t a big deal to shoot someone, or that they were like hamburger in his scope, is a very small percentage of our soldiers. Or at least I would hope that is the case. Most of the men I know in the military right now, or fighting oversees, don’t feel this way at all. True, they’re trained to fight and kill to protect, but no military can take away the moral human beings that they are.
I would venture to bet that in WWII, and prior wars, there were examples of men acting the same way as the brain scooping soldier. But there were no cell phone cameras then, and we’ll never know of these disgusting creatures able to have no regard for human life.
The reason Corey’s blog didn’t offend me in the least is that I saw his points. My only different thought is that if you are already predisposed to be a murderer, the military is just another tool out there to help you in your plight. Of the 20 or so killers that served in the military that he listed, there are thousands upon thousands of killers that had no military training whatsoever.
And, it goes without saying that our men do not recieve the type of medical/psychological attention they need when they return home. Could this be turning out killers? Very well may be. Well written blog I thought. Good job Corey.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:18 am
I think Corey made some very valid points, although I don’t agree with all that he said.
I watched the Deer Hunter the other night, hadn’t seen it years, it really got me to thinking about our soldiers and what it’s like for them when they come home.
If our gov’t thinks these men and women are good enough to send to war, then I think they better damn well be prepared to give them WHATEVER they need when they get home. They OWE THEM BIG TIME. No excuses, JUST DO IT.
Imagine mothers, fathers, sister, brothers… seeing one of their family go to war, and come back a totally differnt person. Angry, confused, maybe violent…. it’s SAD, and they need to be provided the professional care no matter how much it costs or how long it takes.
Gee, wonder if one of Bush’s daughters had to go to war (of course that would never happen)… but you can bet your A** that THEY would get whatever they needed.
It’s so easy for our gov’t to give us LIP SERVICE, and then just totally drop the ball when it comes to DOING SOMETHING.
God bless our troops.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:38 am
I’m going to leave it with “he shot himself in the foot”, and the leg, arm and hand.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:46 am
Am I the only person who caught Corey’s error about Jeffrey Dahmer? Dahmer killed his first victime before he joined the military. The military is just like any other group; in any group there will be a few “bad apples”. To quote someone “a few bad apples don’t spoil the bunch”.
Whether you agree with this war (or any) or not these boys (and increasingly gals) are serving us,
they’re putting their lives on the line for us and
it would be nice if just once in a while someone said thanks.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:36 am
He many times said that he respects our soldiers. What exactly is it that the people bashing him aren’t getting?
The article was in FAVOR of our soldiers and pointing out that a lot of them are going to and currently do need help, and our government doesn’t give it to them any more than they helped the drug addicted mentally ill veterans that came back from Vietnam.
His point is that they AREN’T saying thanks. And as for Dahmer, he should have never passed the psych test in the first place, because you are right, he was fucked up before he joined.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Pleased to report that the entry is back where it belongs, albeit without a comments section this time. The re-instatement follows Corey’s talking to military personnel: “Not a single one of them thought I was trying to smear the soldiers or call them serial killers.” *Applause* It is very nice to see that military personnel can still read where others cannot.
July 24th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
God Bless the men and women who are fighting for our country. And dying for it.
These men and women are trained to kill, when they go through basic training. Doing what they do, day in and day out, killing an enemy has to be second nature. The other guy isn’t thinking about it.
I agree, that our government needs to do more to help the military personel when they come home. The horrors that have to see and deal with, that would mess anybody up.
What would America be like right now if our troops didn’t go over to Iraq? Would we still be “land of the free” or would we slowly be taken over by terrorists?
I think people saw key words in the article, and jumped the gun without thinking.. maybe they were politicians, lol.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
“What would America be like right now if our troops didn’t go over to Iraq? Would we still be “land of the free” or would we slowly be taken over by terrorists?”
What would America be like if we hadn’t gone to Iraq??? You’ve got to be kidding. What would America be like if there weren’t people so gullable that they believe that “better to fight them over there…” line of bull-crap. It’s idiotic propaganda that just isn’t true.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
“What would America be like right now if our troops didn’t go over to Iraq? Would we still be “land of the free” or would we slowly be taken over by terrorists?”
LOL, you’re kidding, right?
We live with a bigger terrorist threat now because we DID go into Iraq! A war that was not, I repeat, NOT, supported by the military analysts. No one wanted to go there except for that dumbass running our country.
We didn’t go to Iraq over terrorism, and we didn’t go there for oil, either. We went into Iraq because Bush wanted to show his daddy that he was a big boy now, and 9/11 gave him the ‘implied’ justification that he needed. Bush is a warmonger and we would have gone in there regardless of 9/11 or any terrorist threat. This is all about Bush and “that is the man who wanted to shoot my pa!” it was a vendetta. Nothing more, nothing less.
Our entry into Iraq was because Bush declared war – correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the declaration of war the job of congress? Bush has behaved more like a dictator than an American President! If you’ve been paying attention at all it’s been quite obvious that the little (and I do mean little) shit has a shredder under his desk that he has systematically been sending our Constitution and Bill of Rights though. Remember, this is a man who thinks that the United States Constitution is “just a piece of paper.”
I absolutely, 100% believe that I am less safe today because of the actions of our President.
He’s a disgrace to America and a disgrace to our military men and women. This President has succeeded in getting 1000’s of men and women killed because he couldn’t take no for an answer from those who actually knew what they were talking about. He had to be a hot shot (frickin’ cowboy!)In fact, I hold him accountable for every coalition death as well. It was Bush who led the charge into Iraq and as far as I’m concerned he has an awful lot of blood on his hands.
Frankly, if Clinton had to suffer an Impeachment hearing for lying about an affair and what he did with his cigars(which I personally never gave a rats ass about), then this President should most definitely suffer the same fate for his actions!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:13 am
“What would America be like right now if our troops didn’t go over to Iraq? Would we still be “land of the free” or would we slowly be taken over by terrorists?”
Please tell us you are kidding. If we had stayed out of Iraq in the first place, the WTC would still be standing today.
Al Quaeda has been abandoned, Kristina. Our troops are in Iraq, not Afghanistan. Bush is too busy attempting to force democracy on Iraq to bother with Al Quaeda. This isn’t a war against terrorism-this is a pissing match, and the chief pisser sits in the White House.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:54 am
You know when Bush was running for office I kept telling everyone that there was somthing about him that scares me. It was a feeling I had about him from the start. I couldn’t stand him then and he has only proven me right that we all should have been afraid of him. His arrogance was evident right from the beginning.
The other day I heard him say that at the end of the day he can go to sleep knowing what he did was out of priniciple and not politics. That’s a load of crap. He was out to make a name for himself…plain and simple. He isn’t half the man his Dad was, is or ever will be. Or Clinton either for that matter.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:08 am
I think the US has enough problems of its own, I don’t like that OUR military is in a foreign country fighting for other peoples rights, but they are and we can’t change that. We can just offer our support to them and let them know we are thinking about them.
Well I voted for Bush both times and I think he has done a good job, considering what he has to work with.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:10 am
And no, I’m not kidding…
July 25th, 2007 at 7:21 am
Hey Kristina, are you also the same Kristina who is the big WWE fan who was commenting under the Benoit posts?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:25 am
Exactly what part of his job do you consider to have been done well?
Seriously.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:29 am
If you think Bush has done a good job, then you are seriously delusional. I voted for him, as well, and I’ve lived to seriously regret it. I would support his impeachment every day of the week, and twice on Sundays. He has NOT done a good job. His presidency is balanced on the needless graves of American soldiers and civilians, just so he can beat his chest and call himself a leader of men.
His father is a man of courage and principle. Junior is not.
Americans have a duty to rise up and attempt to change what is happening to our troops. Simply assuming that “we can’t” is the worst kind of lethargy and blind acceptance.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:10 am
Michelle Gray,
Yup, the same Kristina. Should I jump off the cliff now or later??
July 25th, 2007 at 8:33 am
You didnt answer the question. What good has Bush done in office? Can you name anything?
July 25th, 2007 at 8:34 am
The troops are already in the Middle East, I meant that we can’t go back in time and stop it from happening.
But it is time for them to come home.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:38 am
In my opinion, the way he handled 9/11. He wasn’t in office very long. He stepped up when the country needed it’s leader.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:42 am
What did he do about 9/11? Nothing that i can see other then throw us into Iraq which had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Because he posed with the firemen? Went to a couple of funerals? I hate to tell you but the country didnt come together during that time because of him. It was just a natural thing to happen.
And like Sherry said, he lied about Iraq’s role in 9/11 and thew us into a war we have no business being in.
Dont tell me you buy that we are fighting over there so we dont have to fight here bullshit.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:58 am
“He stepped up when the country needed it’s leader?” Any person can offer platitudes in a crisis. Did we miss the part where Bush focused all of our military power to bringing Osama ben Laden and Al Quaeda to justice? What freaking good did he do for the country standing in front of the television cameras and looking sorrowful? A leader takes action-and I don’t mean sobbing on cue.
How about Katrina? Kind of dropped the ball on that one, didn’t he? A hurricane obliterated a major US city, and Bush has worked harder at handing off blame than helping the victims.
His Presidency is a disaster.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:00 am
Melissa,
From my previous post:
I think the US has enough problems of its own, I don’t like that OUR military is in a foreign country fighting for other peoples rights.
We should fight here, if that’s what it would come down to.
Try reading before you jump on people’s back.
This is just my opinion, and how I feel. I won’t try and talk politics because honestly I don’t fully understand it all. Again just my OPINION.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:07 am
We are NOT fighting for other people’s rights. Bush is attempting to shove democracy down the throats of people who don’t want it, and force them to run THEIR country HIS way. If there was any legitimate purpose to US military presence in Iraq, it was completed with the capture of Saddam Hussein.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:16 am
So why is the US allowed to go into other countries and order people around?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:26 am
If you walk into a room with an AK47 and spray shots around the room, people in that room are going to duck for cover and do what you say. It isn’t a matter of “allowing”.
Our troops are not wanted in Iraq. They. do. not. want. us. there. Our continued military presence is making life unbearable and risky for honest civilians, as well as costing the lives of young American soldiers. And the only thing keeping us there is the ego of our President.
Support our troops? Absolutely. Support the war? Absolutely not.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Kristina Says:
Michelle Gray,
Yup, the same Kristina. Should I jump off the cliff now or later?? ”
That’s up to you. But I can tell you that your smart ass reply doesn’t do anything to make me think any higher of you – only less than I already did.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Almost six years after the attack on the WTC, and Osama bin Laden, the perpetrator of that attack, is still at large. This makes our president, the greatest failure in our nation’s history. There is no excuse for it. Bush is a failure, failure, failure.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:25 am
Michelle Gray,
It wasn’t meant to be a smart ass comment, but if that’s how you took it, fine.
Don’t worry my world won’t stop because you don’t think very highly of me, oh well.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:50 am
It’s almost six years after the attack on this country, don’t forget Pennsylvania and the Pentagon.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:40 am
We haven’t, Kristina. Bush has.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:27 pm
Bush Distorts Qaeda Links, Critics Assert
Since a subscription is needed I will just paste this.
By MICHAEL R. GORDON and JIM RUTENBERG
Published: July 13, 2007
BAGHDAD, July 12 — In rebuffing calls to bring troops home from Iraq, President Bush on Thursday employed a stark and ominous defense. “The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq,” he said, “were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th, and that’s why what happens in Iraq matters to the security here at home.”
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The Reach of War
Go to Complete Coverage » It is an argument Mr. Bush has been making with frequency in the past few months, as the challenges to the continuation of the war have grown. On Thursday alone, he referred at least 30 times to Al Qaeda or its presence in Iraq.
But his references to Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, and his assertions that it is the same group that attacked the United States in 2001, have greatly oversimplified the nature of the insurgency in Iraq and its relationship with the Qaeda leadership.
There is no question that the group is one of the most dangerous in Iraq. But Mr. Bush’s critics argue that he has overstated the Qaeda connection in an attempt to exploit the same kinds of post-Sept. 11 emotions that helped him win support for the invasion in the first place.
Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia did not exist before the Sept. 11 attacks. The Sunni group thrived as a magnet for recruiting and a force for violence largely because of the American invasion of Iraq in 2003, which brought an American occupying force of more than 100,000 troops to the heart of the Middle East, and led to a Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Now Bush is claiming that if we leave Iraq, Osama will make it his home base for attacks against the U.S. What a load of crap. Does Bush think that Americans are so stupid that we don’t know that the Shiites and Osama are enemies? Well, maybe some Americans are that stupid.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
The blog wasn’t about Bush. It was about whether or not our military is turning our men into killers. People in this blog, it seems, are unable to express any type of political belief without everyone jumping on their cases. Which is why I back off whenever politics comes into the picture. I want to discuss the subject at hand, not pick the hell apart something someone’s said to discuss a political agenda.
Can we get back to what Corey wrote about? Which, btw Mimi, I too caught that. And I wondered after I caught that one, how many of the others listed had the same type of track record.
Do you all think it’s something that’s innate in some people, or do you think the military, or any other training, can make someone a killer? I think about David Koresh and his group. Did these people just blindly believe that he was God and that they were to do what he said, or were they already psychologically messed up? I’m sure there’s a small percentage that can be brainwashed, and I don’t know enough about military training to know whether or not it can change a person’s psyche. Any thoughts?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Robert Lee Yates was mentioned as an example Kim. He is a serial Killer from Spokane who was in the army flying helicopters. I knew three of his victims. He was sentenced to death for a killing in Tacoma. He killed people all over the world. Nobody but Yates knows how many people he killed.
He was a thrill killer before he joined the military, and admitted killing a couple that he encountered on a picnic in the wilderness near Walla Walla before he went in the military.
The type of training that Corey was talking about is given to combat infantry, not all military personell. Yates was a helicopter pilot. Helicopter pilots are warrant officers and they go to flight school and survival school.
Yates’ military training had absolutely nothing to do with his occupation as a serial killer. The same thing can be said for many of the other serial killers who had been in the military, and for this reason I think Corey’s post was misleading. I’m not saying that it’s not possible for a serial killer’s behavior to be influenced by military training, but I think actuall cases of it are very rare and anecdotal.
Before we worry about Iraq war serial killers roaming the streets, we whould worry about jobless, homeless Iraq war veterans with PTSD and other unkown medical problems caused by exposures suffered in combat, being left in the streets by our government.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:24 pm
I admit to Bush bashing and straying off the topic.
I just really hate him Kim. Sorry for the OT.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:10 am
Oh no, Melissa, please no apologies! That’s why I love this blog, people really do get their feelings out, and I appreciate everyone’s. I’ve feel the same way about some other politicians, and the hatred is a very real thing, so I completely understand your feelings.
Mike, excellent post. That’s what I was asking exactly. Did the other killers listed have tendencies before their service time. You hit the nail on the head. And, I’m so sorry you knew 3 of Yates’ victims, how terrible.
I would love to see some of my misused tax dollars go towards things that actually have purpose, like giving our soldiers the help they need and deserve, for risking their lives for our country. I’m not sure there’s anything that beats this travesty of justice really.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
I think the thesis that Corey posted by Kilner was interesting about the training between WWII and the Korean war up was interesting.
They actually DO train these people to kill, they break them in boot camp.
And the statistical rates of spousal abuse is far above normal in the military.
I think its sad that Corey got blasted when he actually did research on this issue.
From personal experience from being shot at twice by my ex-husband/former Marine/police officer I totally identified.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:52 am
No, I don’t think Corey went too far. In fact, I wish he had gotten more national attention for that blog-just to bring some more focus on the problems vets face when they return home.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:08 am
Wow Melissa! Ya mean the US military actually trains soldiers to kill the enemy? Wow, that sounds really bad. You’re kiddin’, right?
Melissa obviously you have never served in the military. The problem is not that the military trains people to kill, the problem is that military life, especially combat, is very stressful even for young people. I think that all soldiers should be required to debrief for about the last 30 days of their enlistment. Those in combat zones should get psychological evaluation and help in returning to civilian life.
Once again liberals like Melissa don’t get it. The problem is not soldiers who have been “trained to kill.” The problem is soldiers who inflict violence on other people after they’ve come home or been discharged. In other words, they are engaging in misplaced aggression. Soldiers are not zombies or killing machines despite the Hollywood movie-producers who brainwash stupid people into believing that is what the military does. Rambo was a movie, Melissa. Get over it.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
I think you should re-read my posts on this subject. Besides calling anyone a liberal I pretty much said exactly what you said. That the soldiers need an evaluation when they are returning and they should be getting the help they need.
Derwin, maybe you should learn to read.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:51 am
Damn Corey, I guess you struck a nerve with this one.I just heard about the “Killitary” blog the other day so I guess this is a little late but I wanted to comment anyway.
I don’t believe that the military (or any other institution for that matter) can create a sociopathic serial killer.However there is definitely a correlation. It could be that these individuals are more inclined than most to seek a military occupation.As a soldier , a person who already has these tendencies could , of course, learn to be a more efficient and elusive murderer.Many serial killers who served in the military were active prior to their service- they just weren’t caught.Though no one can know for sure what causes psycopathy, it seems to be rooted in genetics and early childhood experience.As you pointed out in your blog , the military could aid a psychopath in “honing his skills”.Serial killing aside , any person with violent tendencies could find , in the military, a way to act on their aggression and kill without consequences.
The same thing goes with child molestation within the clergy.The Catholic Church,priesthood , and vows of celibacy don’t form the molester.But a pedophile can find a place of refuge there.A position where he is close to children,is an authority figure, and is not likely to be questioned.
The chickenhawk has to go where the chickens are so they say.
As far as other types of violent criminals criminals go , I do believe that war experience can definitely lay a hand in their crimes.Crimes of passion and other violent acts stemming from poor impulse control may be attributed to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.The DSM-IV lists the major symptoms of PTSD as:insomnia, aggressiveness, depression, and dissociation.This could certainly be ,at least partially,to blame for many impulse related crimes,including spousal abuse,rape,and rampage killing .
All in all, I think you made a good point that it is necessary to better screen military personnel upon discharge and have adequate psychological care for those with PTSD.
Although the military has a policy to not enlist criminals,I believe that it is also necessary for them to have a better intake system in the psychological department.Most of these problems start at home and worsen within institution.
Sorry you’re taking so much shit over this , Corey.
-Jay Downs
August 10th, 2007 at 2:47 pm
I am a vet and every soldier, regardless of their job, is taught to kill. that is the only way to protect your own life and complete your mission in a combat situation, so all soldiers have to be prepared for it.
obviously not every vet comes home to be a killer, but many do. what corey said in his post is that we need to support our troops by giving them the help they need when they get back. he’s right.
August 14th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Like Sherry said, he lied about Iraq’s role in 9/11 and thew us into a war we have no business being in.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
From personal experience from being shot at twice by my ex-husband/former Marine/police officer I totally identified.
September 22nd, 2007 at 1:03 pm
There have been many blogs in my mind which allowed you to ponder upon sundry types of thing which you will be at,though not now.I guess such types of blogs should be raised in blog world including this one.
November 13th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
It is a sad situation for lots of soldiers.
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