What the Heck: The Tale of the Laundry Basket Baby
On Tuesday, November 28, 23-year-old Loraine, Ohio, resident Heather Heck, a Wendy’s fast-food restaurant manager, was arrested. The following day, Heather appeared in court to face a judge on child endangerment charges. Her bond was set at a whopping $100,000.
At Crime Rant, we like to share stories of moms not facing up to their responsibilities as caregivers. We like to expose the rotten mothers of this world and show their faces. Maybe we can call it the “Rotten Mother’s Club.”
In that instance, Heather Heck fits the bill.
It appears Heck wanted to party last weekend but couldn’t find herself a babysitter. So what did she do? Allegedly, Heck left her six-week-old son naked, wrapped in a soiled bed sheet, in a laundry basket inside her boyfriend’s SUV while she took off on a weekend trip with the guy.
The boyfriend says he had no idea.
The baby is fine and continues to recover. But the sad fact is, the child hadn’t eaten and had several bed sores on his fragile body and could have died if not for the efforts of Heck’s observant neighbor, who heard the child crying and rescued him.
Unless she pleads out her case, Heck will face a pretrial hearing on December 7.
Here’s the odd part of the story. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, Heck is “a deeply religious person whom co-workers looked up to …” More than that, her Wendy’s coworkers “saw her as a role model …”
Heck’s defense attorney, James Barilla, entered a not-guilty plea on her behalf. Barilla told the Plain Dealer that Heck “is upset. She is a mess. I am trying to relax her.”
Police said Heck hid her pregnancy from family, friends and her boyfriend.
Actually, not only her pregnancy, but six weeks of raising the child, too.
“None of us knew she was pregnant,” a friend of the family told the Plain Dealer.
The baby will now be placed in foster care or with a relative.
Wesley Cales, Heck’s 20-year-old boyfriend, who claims he didn’t know he had a son, now wants custody of the child. He said, “It would be my boy. It would mean everything to me.”
Cales added that his girlfriend may not have mentioned the baby to him “because she feared fallout from their church leaders. She might have thought they would disown us.”
Gotta love that fear of God some people put in others. You see how guilt works. One has to ask, What would Jesus do? Leave the child in the SUV, too?
I doubt that.
Heck and her boyfriend attended Calvary Apostolic Church. According to the church, “The Calvary Apostolic … family is a group of New Testament, Spirit-filled believers. We are ethnically diverse, and come together from the entire Columbus metro area because we have found a community where we can worship, learn and grow together. Our ministry is Christ-centered. Our preaching is Bible-based, anointed and relevant to everyday life. Our worship is vertical. Our mission is horizontal. We invite you to experience the difference that can really happen when you have the hope of Christ in your life.”
That hope of Christ, obviously, didn’t include honesty.
Calvary Pastor Alan Westmoreland visited Heck in the jail. “She couldn’t give any reasons [why she did this],” he told the Plain Dealer. “She’s very apologetic. We’re going to help her any way we can.”
Heck told the pastor she had one request of the church.
“Pray for me.”
Outside Heck’s home, signs litter the front yard: “Dear Baby Cales: We are praying for you and your daddy,”; “’Get well soon, baby Cales. We love you Wiggy”; and “Baby Boy Cales get better soon and home to your daddy. He already loves you lots.”
December 1st, 2006 at 1:18 am
The “role models” are always the first ones to let everyone down. I don’t care how religious she is, she’s an irresponsible, neglectful, selfish idiot.
December 1st, 2006 at 2:48 am
Wow… REALLY messed up priorities!!!!!!!! If the church is such a problem, I would just quit going to the church rather than hide the baby! No telling how many times she left the baby to go to work, or church, to the store, or any other outing!
(Why am I up at this hour? The WIND woke me up. It is THAT bad!)
December 1st, 2006 at 4:07 am
Terri~~
I’ve got 100 plus year old oaks close to the house any time the wind blows like this I get up and make sure the dead falls miss the roof, lol had some 40 mph gusts around 1:30-2:00am~
Matt and Gregg finally a subject I have no opinion on, I’ve learned through the years it’s a pointless venture to discuss religion with anyone. I adhere to Jesse ” THE BODY ” Ventura’s statement of: Religion being nothing more than a crutch for weak people who need social/mental/ethical encouragement! I believe in evolution and until proven otherwise I’ll continue to do so!
The Wendy chick, baby in an oven then a basket! Brings to mind one of my all time best statements/sayings: ” The only thing you really know is that you never know ” I’ll just chalk this one up to IGNORANCE and leave the rest to the women posters. I’m sure this one will have their claws fully extended!
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 6:27 am
She was afraid the church would disown her for having a child? Did she not think there would be repurcussions to leaving the child unattended in a SUV for days? Jeesh.
Completly negligent fool. There is no excuse for this kind of thing.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:15 am
I’m glad the baby was found alive and is recovering.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:23 am
well, who was it in the past that killed their kids because the new boyfriend didn’t want kids? For some reason I am thinking it was Susan Smith….who is now married to another female inmate I believe.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:24 am
Disgusting. I hope she is sterilized. And jailed.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:40 am
The first of these mothers was an Oregon woman, Diane Downs in 1983. She shot her three children, killing one, permanently paralyzing a second. She claimed a shaggey haired stranger killed them. she did it because she was in love a a married co-worker who told her the reason they couldn’t be together was he didn’t want children, sound familiar??? In this case, the prosecutor and his wife adopted the surviving children. Downs is serving a life sentence but is eligible for parole in 2009.
Then you have Susan Smith, ah…Susan…the microwave mom and this one…again…the common thread is NPD…these women do not see their children as precious gifts.
But I gotta say it…her co-workers at Wendy’s looked up to her…come on…there are a thousand jokes here…here I will start…anything standing tall in the bottom of the barrel is going to still be looked up to….what, she flipped burger with style??? But seriously folks…an NPD would thrive in that environment because she would be Queen Bee.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:45 am
Susan Smith~~
She was molested, abused, manipulated ETC. She had a thing for older men, and a thing for casual sexual relationships. I think she tried suicide more than once while in her teens. Her father committed suicide.
I don’t know if she married another inmate but I remember one of the Prison guards doing her behind bars. His name was Houston or something simple like that.
She was disturbed beyond anything anyone could imagine until it was too late. Sad!
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 7:55 am
I have no sympathy for Susan Smith. She was not insane. She was just a sick sociopath.
This chick in the story, she could have given the baby away to a hospital, no questions asked. She could have fessed up etc.
There is no excuse for either one of them. Or Diane Downs for that matter as well.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:06 am
Omg, this girl is just in denial that she ever became a mom. I can hardly believe that no one figured out that this girl was pregnant much less gave birth to a baby that she hid for 6 weeks. I wonder if she had the baby at home without any assistance?
I agree with Terri, she must have left this baby alone many other times. I think that based on the statements made by the surprised father, it sounds like this baby will be better off with his dad. As far as the mom is concerned, I think she needs serious Psycotherapy. I really hope she gets the help she needs.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:13 am
Why is it women like these who have precious babies treat them worse than garbage and other women go through hell trying to have a child, or else can’t have one, and want one so desperately? Fiz.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:15 am
Fiona, You are right…my sister and I both had difficulty having children and we wanted several. We used to say that all the time.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:18 am
How can she be in denial that she had the baby? She was obviously taking care of him, albeit badly.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:26 am
I do not think it is a simple case of postpardum depression….NPD just as a starter (probably has more than personality disorder), much more likely.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:27 am
meant to say “more than one personality disorder”
December 1st, 2006 at 8:28 am
Hey Matt and Gregg,
Looks like pretty soon you\’re going to have to start calling this site badwomen.com. I haven\’t visited in awhile, but everything I scrolled through today had a woman as the bad guy. The only item about a man was the one on that poor NY bridegroom-to-be Sean, and, of course, he\’s the victim. It\’s kind of interesting, especially since it\’s overwhelmingly men who commit violent crimes. Maybe that makes them less interesting?
Hope you\’re both well and enjoying the holidays! I\’m hard at work on a book on Austin\’s Colton Pitonyak. Absolutely amazing case. Meanwhile, the Piper Rountree book, DIE, MY LOVE, will be out in May.
For the record: I agree with Melissa. I have no sympathy for Susan Smith or Diane Downs. Lots of people are abused and grow up to be fine human beings. Some even use their experiences to help others. Smith, Downs, and women and men like them deserve no absolution for any alleged past abuse. Sure we can feel sorry for what the\’ve gone through, undoubtedly it\’s a factor, but it sure isn\’t an excuse.
Enjoyed the site!
Take care,
Kathryn
kathryn casey.com
December 1st, 2006 at 8:32 am
I’m glad the baby survived. At least she didn’t leave the kid in a dumpster after she had it, like a lot of girls do with unwanted babies. It sounds like she had some type of internal struggle going on. Since it survived the first six weeks, she must have been tending to it’s needs just a little before she abandoned it for her road trip. I’m glad it can go to someone that will honestly love it and take care of it now.
Not to defend her, but I wouldn’t knock her for working in a fast food joint. At least she had a job.
On the Susan Smith topic, since it keeps coming up, Susan Smith was diagnosed with “dependant personality disorder.” She NEEDED a man to love her. If she had NPD she would have loved herself so much she wouldn’t have needed the man. And there isn’t near enough info on the microwave mommy yet to play the home version of the psychoanalysis game, IMO.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:37 am
I’m kind of lost here–not that it makes any difference where this “mother” is concerned…but did she leave the baby in a empty [as in parked] SUV while she left on a trip in another vehicle with her boyfriend?
At first I read it like she took the child with her and left it in the back of this car, and it seemed too weird to accept that maybe no one [not even the boyfriend] heard this child cry even once.
Cricket
December 1st, 2006 at 8:40 am
Yeah, Cricket. She left it in a parked unrunning SUV while they were out of town in a different car.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:45 am
Mark, I have one tree of concern, but I don’t know how old it is. It’s a Hickory tree and my dad thinks it’s pretty old. My house is 83 years old. I wasn’t too worried about the tree, but wondered if my roof would just blow right off. It was scary. This morning all was calm.
I read the story about Diane Downs on Crime Library. How horrible that was. My heart skipped a beat when I read the part about her daughter’s reaction in the ER when her mother walked into the room. I’m thankful for the observant hospital staff that ordered some protection for that child.
Now, back to the topic… When I was in high school I worked at Wendy’s. Holy cow, I never considered any of my managers role models. I considered them examples and incentives to go to college. I remember thinking that I would not be able to stand doing that kind of job for the rest of my life. Maybe that whole role model comment was just an exaggeration. I find it hard to believe.
Well, I find all of this hard to believe. There had to be a great deal of ignorance involved. I think I need to believe that to be able to even take this all in. Did she not know she could give the baby up for adoption? Did she not know it was harmful for the baby to be left in a SUV for days without food or a diaper change? Was she actually trying to kill the baby? And I wonder why she left it in his SUV. Why not in her house? And why was she more afraid of the members of her church than killing the baby? My brain is swimming in questions.
But, I am glad the baby is going to be OK and that the father wants it. I do wonder if he will stay in a relationship with the mother though. He ought to be really pissed about her not telling him AND about how she treated the baby.
Oh, and HOW did she hide an entire pregnancy? She looks very thin… It seems there would have been at least a bulge to explain. I’ve seen some overweight people that are pregnant, that look no different than when they are not. But she looks to skinny for that to happen.
December 1st, 2006 at 8:56 am
This woman is not deeply religious. She might use that as a front, but if she was deeply religious she wouldn’t have had sex before marriage, had a baby out of wedlock, lied about it, go out partying etc. all of that according to the bible. I personally don’t subscribe to the nonsense, this being good proof of the hypocrisy, but hey whatever gets you through.
pati, stating that she was lower on the scale because she flipped burgers is insulting to those people that do. What her job was is irrelevant, alot of people (myself included) have started from the bottom and worked their way up, what does make her lower on the social scale is what she did to her child and her outright selfishness. There is nothing that can excuse this and unfortunately the courts will give her a light sentence and then she will be out for good behavior (more then likely claiming she was born again).
December 1st, 2006 at 8:59 am
Does Ohio have the Baby Moses law where a woman can leave a baby at a hospital or fire station and not face abandonment charges?
I think Susan had characteristics of NPD, histronic and dependent personality disorders. I do not see her as submissive and she definitely liked being the center of attention…I don’t think a DP along would have killed her children.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:02 am
Melissa, we’ve all done those jobs, but like Terri said…I don’t think any of us saw them a career goal…just saw a little morbid humor in the whole role model statement. Sorry if it ofended you or anyone else.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:03 am
OMG, Michelle…not Melissa…
December 1st, 2006 at 9:05 am
Isn’t it common to have more than one disorder anyway? Or perhaps a disorder and quite a few traits of another?
I used to flip burgers and I wasn’t insulted by what Pati said. Since I did it, I understood her quite well. To be honest, I learned things while flipping burgers at Wendy’s that has helped me with my current job, the main thing being that I can have several things going on at once (multitasking, maybe?)
It’s quite easy to read traits of disorders and determine if a person has them. I think the hard part is understanding how the traits overlap, and being out to rule out certain disorders. I guess that’s what the professionals are for.
As for the home version of the psychoanalysis game, why not? It makes interesting conversation and food for thought, I think.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:09 am
Terri, Not always but yes, there is often overlap of disorders.
I like that…the home version of the psychoanalysis game, does Milton Bradley put that out
December 1st, 2006 at 9:09 am
My wife is due in 4-5 weeks, our second. When my 30 mo. old was born I was holding my wifes hand and watching the Doctor deliver our baby. I have a great pic of Addison when she was about 10 seconds old covered in blood and screaming like a wounded animal. I just can’t imagine leaving her in a locked vehicle six weeks later to either sink or swim!
Hard to believe that people like this exist who could give no thought, no care, no worries about a six week old infant. I just want to PUKE!
Someone, anyone, please tell me how this is possible? How is this possible in todays society? I’m all out of ideas!
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 9:10 am
definitely lacking the nuturing gene…
December 1st, 2006 at 9:11 am
pati, no problem… lots of people do look down on those flipping burgers and somehow I find the need to defend those that have the crappy jobs.(lord knows I don’t want to do them anymore). Anyway onto the disorders. I have lots of them, just not the urge to party all weekend and leave my baby at home or put it in a microwave.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:13 am
nuturing genes hhmm. i bet if paris hilton had a line of nuturing genes there would be a whole lot better parenting going on.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:14 am
LOL!!!
December 1st, 2006 at 9:19 am
Concerning Wendy’s -(Pati that wasnt me that said that) They have a policy about hiring mentally handicapped people (plus high school kids of course), not exclusively. My cousin is a highly funtioning but mentally handicapped (iq of about 55). Could it be that this woman is slightly retarded?
December 1st, 2006 at 9:26 am
Melissa, I realized that after my post…artic cold front blew in, brain is adjsuting
You do raise a good point…I was operating on the asumption of normal IQ…hmmm…but wouldn’t the media have said that? I know…I know…I was raised in the military and taught to NEVER assume.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:27 am
Melissa, as much as retardation would be a good way to reason this out. I seriously doubt it. Even though food service is not a professional job it does require common sense and ability to focus under pressure as a store manager. If she was just a csr I could see that but they didn’t say she sucked at her job so i have the feeling she knew exactly what she was doing.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:29 am
Michelle~~
I like that. I too am a freak of nature but my wife and family come first despite any urge I may have.
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 9:33 am
Melissa~~
very good point, she might very well be. I just can’t get this one.
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 9:35 am
Everybody has some traits that combined with others might make up a personality disorder, doesn’t mean everyone has a personality disorder. Lord knows I have some obsessive complusive traits…but luckily my husband and I have complimentary ones and we can laugh about them all of the time.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:36 am
well my comments keep going into the network nether reaches i hate when that happens.
December 1st, 2006 at 9:41 am
Pati~~
This woman is a prime example of why Police Dept’s don’t allow blood chokes and still teach the basic” ARM-BAR ” air choke.
They really need to change that, rewrite the book!
jmho
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 9:44 am
i kinda have to agree with that one, Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 9:46 am
What is a blood choke?
December 1st, 2006 at 9:46 am
Good grief Mark-
Good for you and all, but don’t you think that’s a little too much information??
Thanks for not posting the pic
December 1st, 2006 at 9:48 am
Hey, Melissa, I did not say she was in denial of having a baby but that she was in denial of what her new responsibilities as a mom were.
Most woman can have babies but not everyone is cut out to be a mom. Obviously, this girl became a mom by accident and was not happy with her new role. Therefore, she mistakenly thought that if she just hid the fact and took care of the baby just enough to get by, she could continue to live the life of a single woman. Gee, will wonders ever cease?
December 1st, 2006 at 9:57 am
Gregg, what was the name of the Texas mom you wrote about who tried killed to kill both of her children and succeeded in one?
December 1st, 2006 at 10:01 am
Wait, oh, Tanya Reid…that’s it…here’s another nurturing mother.
December 1st, 2006 at 10:08 am
Okay I’ve got it!
The only thing that makes sense. She left the baby hoping it would die while she was away. She claimed to be the only one who knew about it and would just simply dispose of the infant when she returned. The only unanswered question is how was she able to have the baby without any assistance, without ANYONE else knowing?
This is sick and it’s way to early to eliminate her boyfriend from being involved. Further she’s not retarded, just a cold calculating, wicked beast.
jmho
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 10:10 am
Mark, Women have been babies alone for centuries…and a lot girls/women who have and then abandon their babies, do it alone. I don’t think the boyfriend is involved at all. Until evidence proves otherwise, I cannot say she was or was not retarded.
December 1st, 2006 at 10:17 am
Mark, women hide pregnancies all the time. Its hard to understand, but she may have just said she was gaining weight or something.
And women have babies without assistance all the time as well.
I have a hard time believing that the boyfriend didnt know about the baby AFTER the fact. I just read the article about this. They lived together. How could she have possibly hidden an infant from him?
December 1st, 2006 at 10:29 am
Terri~~
A blood choke is one that shuts off the flow of blood to the brain. When done ” PROPERLY ” the receiver of such a hold goes unconscious in a few seconds time. I’ve always argued this technique because I believe it’s safer than the air choke. Air chokes can hurt people badly if done incorrectly, not that that in and of itself wouldn’t be bad for some, it’s just that some people can struggle to the point where it might not be avoidable.
People can get out of almost any arm-bar just by grabbing the Cops belt loops or pants pocket and quickly twisting their chin toward the fist of his/her arm thats against their throat. Once this is accomplished the person trying the hold is in deep shit. They get leg swept to the ground and their life is in danger in a matter of seconds.
They have real trouble escaping a blood choke from almost anyone who can do it properly. Air chokes take about 40 secs to a min to work, blood choked and you’re gone in 10-13 seconds.
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 10:44 am
Melissa, It depends on how much time he was there or at work. Also, I know guys that are totally oblivious as to what is in their house or not.
Babies who are not being properly nurtured tend to not cy and don’t have strong survivor’s instinct. Part of those are driven by touch and nurture.
December 1st, 2006 at 10:47 am
Urgg,Mark! Too much information! Good luck to you and your wife with the new baby! Anyone remember Amy Grossberg and Brian Petersen? She persistantly lied to her doctor (who gave a shot she shouldn’t have had while pregnant)and uni colleagues, the baby is found dead with skull fractures in a dumpster and her mother comes up with the cry of ‘Amy did nothing wrong’. !!!!For me that symbolises today. Do what you want, ignore what you don’t want to see and above all, never take responsibility for what you do. Pati, I had problems conceiving and staying pregnant too and other friends who had IVF and some who had no luck in having a child at all, and yet they were lovely couples who deserved to have a child. What a screwed-up world this is!
December 1st, 2006 at 10:52 am
Yes I know women have babies on their own all the time. I was saying that in this case with a live in boyfriend I can’t see him not knowing.
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 11:01 am
Fiona, YES, It is very screwed up…
Mark, because you persist it does make me want to know more about the boyfriend to know why he was either oblivious or complicit. I still oblivious.
December 1st, 2006 at 11:02 am
I still vote oblivious…gheez louise….
December 1st, 2006 at 11:21 am
Melissa, She was a manager at Wendy’s…not low IQ.
December 1st, 2006 at 11:28 am
Was just pondering. Now I have read 3 reports about it.
Some say the boyfriend lived there, others say he lived on the same street.
In ANY case they were obviously sexually active, how could he not notice the belly. I understand baggy clothing can cover a pregnancy, but how many boyfriends would accept the I have a headache excuse for 7 plus months. Especially at their age?
December 1st, 2006 at 11:33 am
Does anyone remember the case of a woman who left her newborn in the car while she was getting her hair done? If I recall she had other child(ren) but seemed to reject the newest.
December 1st, 2006 at 11:34 am
Melissa, Good points….but I seen women carry that hardly show.
December 1st, 2006 at 11:43 am
One article said, “She was aware of the Safe Haven Laws. She could’ve done that in the first 72 hours. It was an option.” http://www.morningjournal.com
December 1st, 2006 at 12:27 pm
CR: (Heck told the pastor she had one request of the church.
“Pray for me.”)
What about the baby?! Oh, yes… She left the baby on his own so she could go play. It IS all about her.
December 1st, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Hate to say this but I agree 100% with Mark on this one. The guy had to know. Even if the girl didn’t start showing until 6-7 months (as some women do) how could she have hidden it from the guy? They were obviously sexually active. On top of that women need to wait a minimum of four weeks after giving birth before having sex. Wouldn’t it hurt like hell before that? Like someone here said “oh gee – I have a headache….” for months? I just don’t buy that this guy didn’t know anything! It’s not realistic.
Nona – I agree – of course she didn’t ask to pray for her baby. If she gave a s*it about the poor thing she wouldn’t have left it in the first place.
December 1st, 2006 at 1:04 pm
I just read a few news reports and she definately had the baby alone.
She also left the baby ALONE while she went to work. No wonder the child had bed sores.
December 1st, 2006 at 1:26 pm
Mark, in regards to the boyfriend, it is possible that he did know-but denial ain’t just a river in Egypt. Never underestimate the power of not seeing what one doesn’t want to see.
December 1st, 2006 at 1:35 pm
It all boils down to this and nothing else.
She wanted to go play and have a great weekend. Having a child actually means giving up those things. She is a selfish hateful woman who would have rather her child die than give up a weekend getaway.
Manslaughter, she should be locked up and her tubes tied. God help us if she has another child, she couldn’t even help the first one.
And 6 weeks? ?????
Do you reallly think her boyfriend didn’t hear even one cry from that baby during a six week period of time? Come on people.
Lock her up, quick.
I love my boys so much and get so mad when I cant find a babysitter or go out because it’s been a year since I have got too. Guess what, doesnt matter, that’s life. I chose this life when I had children and when they are grown then maybe I can go out.
My two sense.
There absolutely should be a website for pathetic looser mothers with their pictures and what they’ve done posted for years and years. Yeah, people change. But this, a innocent little baby, this isnt’ normal or a hormone problem. Steralize her, quick.
December 1st, 2006 at 1:55 pm
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm…I’m also questioning the mentality of the BOYFRIEND….ummmmmmmmm maybe I’m stupid here but come on…if they had sex to make a baby…they NEVER had sex again in 9 months PLUS six weeks???? DON”T THINK SO…he HAD to have known she was pregnant…BULLSHIT story!
December 1st, 2006 at 2:08 pm
In one of the articles I read it states the baby was only 3 weeks old….. which is it? 3 weeks or 6 weeks?? Can anyone verify??
December 1st, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Nik, all the articles I have read say 6 to 8 weeks. His birthday hasnt been verified as far as I know.
December 1st, 2006 at 2:16 pm
Sick, warped, and twisted.
December 1st, 2006 at 3:14 pm
When I had my first child, I turned into what my then husband called a ‘Land Cruiser’. I lost my next one (named him Mark), then I had my second child. I was over 7 months along and still getting whistled at. So even being skinny (wish I still was) others might not know.
But the boyfriend has to be dumber than a bucket or rocks! A womans body goes through a lot of changes, any father should be able to tell you that. Well, observant ones maybe. But come on, how could this guy that in intimate with her no notice anything different?!
I think there is a lot of deceit going on here.
Poor baby, it wasn’t even in real baby clothes or diapers. Just a filthy sheet, nasty.
Is there a sterilization law anywhere for people like this? If not, maybe there should be.
I must sound evil.
But I lost two children and sorely wish they were here with me and their sisters. I feel sorry for all who have difficulties getting pregnant or carrying, it is such a wondrous thing. Thank God for the children you all do have!!!
December 1st, 2006 at 3:21 pm
Hey everyone, and welcome to the newcomers! Gregg and Matt, you’re gonna have to get more bandwidth, not that that’s a bad thing!
Mother’s killing their babies dates back centuries. Only difference was, 100 years ago, they couldn’t fall back on personality disorders, they killed their child, they were put to death. Black and White.
This mother would have SLOWLY killed her baby, which is unimaginable. Starving to death, bedsores, just sickening.
I disagree with Mark, I completely believe in God, and it comforts me to know that if she isn’t dealt with in this life, she certainly will be in the next. (Please, I’m not starting a religion fight, just wanted to throw that in)…
As far as the site goes, I totally love the idea of the “Rotten Moms Club”! Shoot, that should be a website on it’s own. http://www.RMC.com.
Gotta go tutor, i’ll be back on latah!
December 1st, 2006 at 3:23 pm
Don’t click on that site, I forgot it would really link it to something, and God knows I have no idea what it is!
December 1st, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Denial lol~~
gonna cost him some time because he’s a little gutless liar. There is no way he didn’t know about the baby, no way. You’ll see more on this very shortly, bet on it.
Mark
December 1st, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Where did this girl live? Did anyone ever hear the baby cry? Yet no one knew she even had this child. Did she have the baby at home? So many missing pieces here.
If this woman was handicapped in anyway, are there case workers involved?
If anyone is mentally challenged, it has to be the public because we continuously let things like this happen. Maybe the laws need to be re-written to really come down hard on these types of behaviors.
Something needs to change.
December 1st, 2006 at 7:46 pm
I did read one article that said the age of the baby was three weeks. All of the others said 6-8 weeks.
Blaundy, unfortunately sterilizing the woman is consindered eugenics and is against the law. But, since I was unable to have the number of children that I wanted, I feel the same way you do.
Mary D, I believe I stated earlier that babies that don’t get bonded well to the mom tend not to cry. Think about all of the babies in a orphans home that never cry. They don’t nurtured or held enough. A lot of those children succumb to diseases because they don’t thrive well and their immune system is also boosted by the nurturing.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 am
What really makes me sad about these killer/neglectful moms, is that they do not understand that a child is a precious gift from God. It just seems so unnatural not to want to bond with your own baby.
That no one knew of this mom’s pregnancy is just B.S. I don’t know her height, but, even a tall person would show I would think. When I was expecting my son, I was as big as a barn and everyone knew I was expecting. I couldn’t have hidden my pregnancy if I wanted to, but, I did not want to.
Gregg and Matt, I like the idea of you guys starting a bad/killer mom’s club.
Killer Moms who make the list are:
Diane Downs
Susan Smith
Heather Heck
The moms who microvaved their babies
Maribeth Tinning
Tanya Reed
The mom who killed her son, Raijon
Hedda Nussbaum
There are plenty more killer moms out there!
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:48 am
Heather Heck didn’t kill her child, but, was that her intention when she abandoned him in that SUV? If so, she’s a killer mom, too. Definately irresponsible and neglectful.
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:53 am
Amy Grossberg, Melissa Drexler and a woman in NY who threw her baby out of a skyscraper window at the same time as the other two over-indulged darlings were murdering their kids. This woman was very poor, and an illegal Hispanic immigrant and it didn’t really make the news. I believe she got banged behind bars for life whilst girly little Amy and Melissa skip sweetly back to ‘normal life’ – whatever that is! Fiz.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:34 am
Then you have the whole family in San Antonio that beat and starved little 4 yr old Jovanie Ochoa. He died on christmas day while they were in a nearby room feasting with other children running around.
December 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 am
What about the mother that had several of her own children and took in fosters. Four of the children were so starved that they looked to be much younger than they really were. One I believe was about 16-17yrs. old but looked 10-11yrs. I can’t remember the womans name but she is now in prison and I think she is awaiting trail.
The children that were starved were eating garbage out of the trash after school, stealing food from other classmates, and I believe at one point even eating wood. Finally someone called social services on her. She was this “highly respected woman in her church”. Blah, blah, blah.
I’m going to do some research on this because for the life of me I can’t remember her name.
I know that the kids are all doing much better now that they are in foster care. They were in the hospital for some time before that.
How could any mother starve their child??? Evil, nasty, pathetic women!
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Nik says: Evil, nasty, pathetic women!
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Nik you’re TOO kind.
Cricket
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:00 pm
where did the evil woman live?
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm
I personally knew this girl. She worked at Wendys to pay for her college. She was extremely intelligent, so this is not an even remote excuse. I believe this was just true selfishness. She was asked by a delivery guy if she was pregnant and she told him she was having trouble with her pancreas. I guess she had a little bulge. She was a general manager at Wendys and in the past few weeks she was working 12 hour shifts 4 days a week. Plus a fifth day with an 8 hour shift. It’s an honest miracle that this baby survived. Thank God the weather was unseasonably warm, or that baby, who she never even named, would have froze. This story has been in my every thought every day and every night. I just don’t understand it. And she has never been in any trouble before. I just hope she is punished properly. She knew what she was doing! I’m guessing she clamped the babys umbilical cord. She literally went to work the next day. Can you imagine her eating Thanksgiving dinner in the next state while that baby was literally starving to death wrapped in filth. I’m praying alright, and it’s for her, but not what she’d hope I’d pray for.
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pm
[...] Thanks to Trench for the heads-up on this story on CrimeRant about Heather Heck. The 23-year-old Loraine, Ohio woman really, really wanted a nice weekend out with her boyfriend. But, alas, she couldn’t find anyone to babysit./ So she did the only logical thing: wrapped her six-week-old child up in a bed sheet (and a dirty one at that), and left the little angel in a laundry basket in her boyfriend’s SUV. [...]
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:12 pm
wow Wendy, thanks for posting that information.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:09 pm
Thanks for the inside information Wendy. Very interesting and sad. She never even named the baby… Wow… She just didn’t want it. I wish she had just left it at the hospital or something.
December 2nd, 2006 at 10:23 pm
Wendy, I figured as much, that she was intelligent to a point. Intelligent, but intelligently selfish, if that’s not an oxymoron. She wanted to have fun, and hide her baby from her boyfriend and her church, and she did just that, for 6 weeks. But, as momma used to always say, “be sure your sins will find you out”. And darned if that’s not exactly what happened. Thank God someone heard him crying, or he would have died a terrible death.
Just so some of you understand – a woman can definitely be pregnant, especially for the first time and being thin, and not show. And the idea of being “bloated”, Yeah, i can see people falling for it based on the kind of person she portrayed. However, I still believe she should be severely punished, for what she could have done to this poor baby. But he lived.
Catch 22. He live and will hopefully live a full life, but she’ll get out, cuz he lived. Wonderful Justice system. She’ll probably even get visitation rights.
What a travesty.
December 2nd, 2006 at 11:05 pm
Pati….ok, maybe the baby didn’t cry, but I have had two babies, and believe me, that labor thing that happens…unless one is deaf, someone had to hear that…especially if it is the first child.
I screamed my bloody head off! And the entire childbirth wing heard me too. So, I can’t imagine that being quite.
But, then again, when it comes to child abuse and babies, I can’t say I have any knowledge on how one can conceive, carry, birth, and kill or try to kill their baby. I can pretty much figure out the criminal mind until it comes to motherhood and what sets off a mother. Then I get stumped.
December 3rd, 2006 at 12:36 am
Wendys says: She was a general manager at Wendys and in the past few weeks she was working 12 hour shifts 4 days a week. Plus a fifth day with an 8 hour shift.
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Thanks Wendys for this insider view.
Now it makes me wonder even more WHERE she kept this baby so well-hidden that her boyfriend [if he did live with her as some say]during all these hours she was working–didn’t hear the baby cry or actually see him hidden somewhere…or even neighbors for that matter.
I too think he knew and is now feigning ignorance so that they both don’t end up in jail and at least one can be “out” to support the other while they’re in there.
And the title of this story is what confused me initally in that it’s sort of misleading–IF she kept this child hidden [a secret] then why would it state “she couldn’t find a babysitter so she left…”?
A Babysitter for what? It was a secret remember–so who would have known? You can’t babysit something that supposably doesn’t or didn’t exist.
Either way I tend to agree with Kimpossible in that this wonderful justice system will see that she gets slapped on the wrist and visitation rights to boot.
Good thing for this baby that he wasn’t born in Colorado…now in Ohio, he might just have a chance.
Cricket
December 3rd, 2006 at 5:38 am
More bad mothers :- Waynetta Hoyt, Marie Noe, Diana Garcia (I think – she moved around Texas smothering her kids) and that ‘American Officers wife’ who was written up in a medical magazine in the 40’s – poor woman, her children kept dying – and then she was caught smothering a neighbour’s child!)ditto Jeanne Weber (French, late 19th cent/early 20th).She really is a horror story. If we start on English ones, I will be here all day! Fiz. xxx
December 3rd, 2006 at 8:44 am
Mary Dunn, I’ve done a fair amount of research on orphaned children because my first in-laws were raised in orphans homes and oddly enough so was my husnand’s mother. I’ve had plenty of nun complain that the babies in AIDS shelters where these babies don’t get touched or rocked much, never cry or cry so low…not like the healthy wailing our very loved children could produce.
And as far as labor, when I was in labor I heard plenty of that but I never did that, nor did my sister, not did my daughter-in-law. It really depends on how high one’s threshold for pain is, and in this woman’s case, how much she wants to either deny or hide it.
In the developing and third world nations where there are still indigenous people living close to the earth, they still have their babies the same way women have for centuries. Bush women in Africa still going into the bush and have the baby alone and in the quiet. So it definitely can be done.
December 3rd, 2006 at 8:47 am
Fiona, There was also a case in San Antonio of a miltiary personnel’s wife who was killing her babies by munchausen…this was in the late 80s early 90s I want to say…
thank goodness so many states have adopted the safe haven laws, it is such a shame that not all of the women who rejct their babies for one reason or another do not use them.
December 3rd, 2006 at 8:48 am
Kimpossible, You may be right, but I REALLY pray they never give her visiting rights to that child.
December 3rd, 2006 at 9:05 am
You’re right, Pati, she doesn’t begin to deserve them. Fiz.
December 3rd, 2006 at 9:45 am
Pati, you are a tough cookie or you had a marvelous doctor that didn’t like you to suffer.
I guess it can be done….but Americans are spoiled and I don’t believe for one minute that “the bush” for women in America could happen.
Just my theory, but if a child is born at home, someone is going to hear…there has to be a witness somewhere…Kudos to you and your family for being able to endure the worst pain I ever in my life felt. After those events, simple pains that used to be magnified, no longer are as huge.
And, I always felt I could tolerate pain pretty well. Labors can be long, and I just don’t see what your saying as realistic.
However, I feel this woman need her just reward, and it better not be a slap on the wrist.
December 3rd, 2006 at 10:09 am
Mary Dunn, Tough cookie…short labor…Labors are not always long…especially with small underdeveloped babies and I wonder what this baby’s birth weight was…
December 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Ahhhh! My babies were big, and I am a smaller frame, so I can see your point Pati.
December 3rd, 2006 at 4:51 pm
Mary D, My baby was 2 oz. shy of 9 lbs. hardly underdeveloped. But you see the point.
December 3rd, 2006 at 10:51 pm
While I would never ever defend what Heather has done, I do have some things to offer. I went to High School with her and while we weren’t close friends, I knew her in passing. First thing first, this girl is MAYBE 5′3 110 pounds, maybe. Obviously her boyfriend was around (although in our local papers they make it sound like they didn’t live together). I don’t know how it would be possible for someone in a loving, committed relationship not to touch a belly, see a bump on a 110 pound little girl! I don’t buy that no one knew, “big sweatshirts” or not. And what her boyfriend says about the church… yes, her family is religious, but also a very close, open family. I have to think, just from growing up together, that there was some pressure… some conversations with her boyfriend about him not wanting children/not being ready for children. Again, I am not defending her, because what she did is disgusting. But I do not belive this is who she is. And about the dropping off children without facing penalties, according to an article in the newspaper yesterday, the only way to do that without getting in trouble is within the first 72 hours, which for a girl, “hiding” a pregnancy, giving birth at home, completely hopeless and alone…if she couldn’t figure out what to do in 9 months, how is she going to decide within 72 hours?!?
Whatever happened I hope that the truth comes out because this is just not the type of thing Heather would do… I really, truly believe that. And I hope that she gets the help that she needs and that her baby can grow up and lead a happy, healthy life despite what has happened to him so far.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:24 am
Secret says~
lol~~~~~~~” This is not who Heather was/is ” You grew up with her. I KNOW HER just as well as you do. PERIOD!
Don’t come here and make excuses for this less than HUMAN POS. I don’t give a rats ass who she was or how INTELLIGENT people think she was. To work in fast food one need only be smart enough to smile and change a light bulb for Christ’s sake. She proved this by leaving a new born alone in a filthy shitty sheet. THINK ABOUT THAT FOOL!
Mark
December 4th, 2006 at 5:36 am
Wendys Says~
Great post. If you can get a message to this POS from me personally I’d be most grateful.
Tell her to fess up to EVERYTHING for the babies sake. She already almost killed it, now rescue it
by ACKNOWLEDGING IT. Not just by saying ” YEAH IT’S MINE ” EXPLAIN exactly what she was thinking.
Also~~~~~~~do you know the dumber than dumb ” BOYFRIEND?” Tell that POS to fess up as well. No way in hell he didn’t know she was with child, no f@#$ing way. I’d like to punch his punk ass into next month, and I’m sure I’m not the only one but rest assured I CAN DELIVER! He’ll lose no less than 4 teeth, and need some glue, staples or good old fashion stitches.
Just a guess, but I bet he’s a pencil necked, bony little pimple faced punk, worried about his FREEDOM and not what any FREAK RELIGION thinks or says! DAMN~~~ FREAKS!
Mark
December 4th, 2006 at 6:38 am
Secret says: yes, her family is religious, but also a very close, open family.
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So “open” that their daughters brains fell out.
However your point about baggy sweatshirts and all…I went eight months before I could no longer fit into my size 4 jeans..then overnight I woke up to this huge round belly that required size 14 pants, so it does happen but NOT for longer then say 8 months and eventually even a neighbor guessed and asked me one day if I was “with child”. So I agree it can be hidden for awhile but not forever.
Cricket
December 4th, 2006 at 6:58 am
Hey Secret, thanks for posting, and welcome to our forum. Just so you know, we ignore Mark’s ugly posts, so please don’t think he speaks for the crimerant posters, he DOES NOT. He just likes to be an asshat at times. It makes him feel important
December 4th, 2006 at 7:33 am
Kim~ lol
ugly is leaving a defenseless baby in shit stained, foul, conditions. A pure thing up beauty would be an eye to eye conversation with this sub-human couple of wannabe thumpers!
also Kim~~ I despise those who prey on the weak, bullies who pick on people because they can, usually in groups or clicks because it gives them the feeling of support they never get or got from their parents while being raised. Maybe they had an abusive Father/Mother, regardless nothing pisses me off worse than people who abuse CHILDREN. Abusing a child is akin to dropping new born puppies down a well, or throwing kittens in a grass sack and tossing them into a river. THEY CAN’T PROTECT THEMSELVES.
I’m not qualified, and certainly wouldn’t claim to speak for this forum or any other. I will give my opinion with the hope that it would be accepted as just that ” an opinion ” despite the fact that it’s simply just that, I’m left to wonder why and how some can call it something els!
This wouldn’t be much of a forum if we all agreed with each other all of the time. Would it?
Mark
December 4th, 2006 at 9:17 am
The more and more I think of this…the more and more I realize. This was not just the weekend…This baby has not bonded with anyone..this baby was literally starving to death. It may not have had the energy to cry. The body has a defense mechanism when it is starving it begins to slow respriratory and cardiac function to conserve calories. That would explain the lethargy and quietness. I think she probally planned this and read and learned about how to deliver this baby at home. She delivered in her bathroom in Lorain. (So, I was told 2nd hand).
Heather was so the public goody, she was such an approval seeker. Caring so much about her image. Pure selfishness is behind this incident. Even still she is only concerned about what is happening to her. And at the most she weighed 90 pounds soaking wet. She is tiny! But people believed her, because of who she portrayed herself to be. I have extreme anger and hatred in my heart. But I believe this baby will be loved, and cared for. This baby is a miracle.
Do you think she will go to prison?
December 4th, 2006 at 9:54 am
wendys Says~
you say/said you knew her. Is this correct?
How do you know that she went to work the next day?
Going to prison. Would you like to see her behind bars? Do you think she deserves to be in Prison or hog tied and left in a ditch? A ditch lets say in Minnesota in January! Naked of course!
Mark
PS. Tell her to come to this site and take a look at what people from all over America think about what she did.
December 4th, 2006 at 11:35 am
I hope the damage to the baby can be reversed and that he will be able to bond with his new caretakers. Wish I could hold the little guy and feed him a bottle… and I usually don’t have feelings like that for babies other than my own.
Isn’t it ironic that her image that was everything to her is now totally shot to hell?
Even if she wanted to hide the baby from everybody because of her image, how could she not want to take good care of it? One could take good care of the baby and still hide it!
December 4th, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Wendy, I certainly hope that she will go to prison, unfortunately, if she does, it will probably not be for very long.
December 4th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Yes I do know her. And she took her vacation the week of the babys birth. Which typically has to be requested with quite a few weeks notice….I do not know how she knew when she would deliver that close to the actual date. And I was told the babys father’s father (paternal grandfather) said Heather would hide the baby in the closet when the babys father would visit. There are still so many things that need answered. And the information I know is not definite, all through the grapevine of others who know her.
I am definite of a 52 plus hour work week. And yes I would like to see her go to prison. Maybe another inmate mother who didn’t like the story can tell her what she thinks.
And by the way Mark…back off on the Wendys’ employee low IQ crap….I can definitely smile, but I might need help in changing the light bulb lol.
December 4th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
Whoa! Sometimes, people have to resort to working at Wendy’s, McDonalds, etc. because jobs are hard to come by. I have a Master’s Degree from Carnegie Mellon University, and at one point in my life, I was working at Auntie Anne’s Pretzels because that was the only job I could get at the time. So, Mark, not all people are brilliant like yourself, but there are times that highly intelligent people do succumb to our great American corporate greed and jobs are eliminated.
In order for a family to survive, intelligent people take these types of positions just to put food on the table.
It is definitely hard work, and doesn’t take a lot of mental ability; however, the challenge is in the fact that one has to go to this work place because there is nothing else.
So, please consider that shoe may be on your foot someday and you may not have a choice but to work in a “brain dead” environment. I mean no disrespect for those who work in these positions. I believe everyone has a special gift in life…some have more to offer than others. It doesn’t make one more special. We are supposed to be created equal.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Mary D~~
I opted for the Bill Gates educational system I dropped out. Intelligence comes in all shapes and sizes and has nothing to do with anything. A Masters degree doesn’t guarantee people a job, but it can keep some from getting one.
Pati mentioned something about selling used cars or shoes the other day,lol~~ I know no less than 10 local people making $140,000.00 plus a year selling cars, I know the guy personally who founded ” SHOE CARNIVAL ” Publicly traded company. None of them have any kind of degree to my knowledge. As for Wendy’s one can receive assistance to get small business loans to OWN such a place but as usual FEAR keeps people from taking that step.
There’s nothing hard about flipping burgers and anyone that believes that has never used a jackhammer in 100 degree heat, or laid block, or finished concrete, or cut tobacco. No disrespect but to this day I could climb Longs peak with little training if any. Just a day to acclimate!
Mark~
December 4th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Maybe I should quit my job and sell cars. Holy cow!
December 4th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Hey mark, leave me out of your fight! I said it in reference to burnt out cops…and 140K selling cars??? that would have to be new cars, not used…I know people too…I bet we all know people
December 4th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Mark – your post was ugly. Wendy came in here to post, just like the rest of us, and right out of the gate, you beat her horse, you kicked her horse, and even when it was dead, you kept kicking it. I do respect your opinion at times, even when it’s not the same as mine, but when you insult other posters for no apparent reason, I just don’t get it. Wendy isn’t the one who treated her baby poorly. Got it?
December 4th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
Mark…listen up here. I am not saying that a degree makes one intelligent…god you sound like a HR (human resource..just in case you don’t know what an acronym is) man I knew once. I thought he was an idiot.
It takes hard work…just like flipping hamburgers. Have you ever done such a thing? Work all day taking the crap people throw at you, standing on your feet 12 hours a day? No, because you seem to be above this….Car salesman…smooth talkers…that’s what makes them sell cars….it take an intelligence to do that as well. Just because it doesn’t fit in your scheme of what life should be…doesn’t make you the expert.
And, by the way, I supervised the jackhammer men, as I helped to lay pipeline and kept gas from blowing up houses so people like you wouldn’t get hurt. So, let me tell you baby….they were all pretty smart in their trade, but had no finesse when it came to how to treat people.
You seem to be pretty close to the girl who did this to her child, only in a different light because you have no respect for people and you seem to think you might be better than the rest.
I have seen it all, and one doesn’t have to be brilliant to see the likes of you. It seems like you are running the same course. It offends me. I feel I learn something new each and every day. However, when I went to college, I was able to focus on my future career. I went to college not only to get an education, but to take care of my children because my husband left me high and dry…
It just happened that I found out I had brains. It never came easy for me. I had to work hard at learning, but I did it, and that was an accomplishment.
Now, this rant is not about me or you, it is a about a girl who abused her child. Let’s focus on that, not how educated a person is and where and why they work where they do. Let’s just try to figure out why she did such a horrible thing…because, frankly I don’t think it is about intelligence, it is about what in the brain made her do something so crazy that an innocent life was jeopardized.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:10 pm
She came from a strict family? Excuse me, but what does that have to do with ANYTHING??????
She kept the baby alive for 6 weeks… or is it 9 weeks now? Anyway, that does not mean she took GOOD care of it and gave it love and affection. “ONLY” bed sores? You have got to be kidding! Can you imagine how much that must hurt? And surely you don’t think the baby could get up and go potty… so it had to lie in its own urine and feces for 2 days as well, while starving, becoming dehydrated, and being too weak to cry.
So, since she didn’t kill the baby, she shouldn’t be “dawged” on?
How old are you? Your typing looks like the text messages my 16 year old son receives. I hope you have a higher standard for caring for your own child than what it appears from this post.
I realize that Heather is a human being, and I would never want to harm her or be cruel to her, but I think that what she did was a criminal act of severe child abuse. She should do time for that. I do hope she gets whatever help she needs to deal with the issues that led to her terrible decisions.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
I don’t give a rats butt what kind of education this girl had, where she lived, where she worked.
The facts remain of what she did. She made her own choices, and now she needs to face the music.
I hope and pray the child goes to a loving and mature family, one that will protect it from selfserving animals like this.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
I’m glad you said that Terri, that was my impression here too. I am outraged at ‘ONLY’ bed sores!!!
That would be mostly from urine as if you are not eating eventually there would be nothing else. Urine has acid that would eat the skin, can you imagine the stinging pain?!!!
God Bless the neighbor that found the little thing!!!
I do hope she gets some serious time! She needs to learn, if that is possible for someone that does not appear to have a conscience!
People in prisons as much as they are there for criminal activity themselves, do NOT like people that hurt children, it is a fact.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
I wondered if she worried about the baby at all while she was away. Is it hungry? Is it cold? Was she able to think about how the baby felt? It doesn’t seem so.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
Personally, I don’t think so. To leave the baby like that and go away for days…..no way did she care. And I haven’t heard anyone say that she was drug off by her hair kicking and screaming. No, she just went to please herself.
Do you think she refused to eat while gone out of guilt? I doubt it.
If she isn’t asking how her child is now, why would she have cared then either.
Someone else is doing the job she should have cherished, parenting.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:16 am
Excellent posts, Blaundy and Terri. I’d have loved another baby, but after two hard fought for pregnancies and 2 miscarriages and 35 looming I thought I’d better quit while I was ahead.I can understand being scared she was pregnant ( but you do have contraception in the US? I ask because so many of these morons never seem to have heard of it) but to keep lying and then treat the baby like that? No, no,no, a thousand times no! Fiz.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:10 am
Mary~~
I have a question~
Why in your infinite wisdom do you think it necessary to explain things to me? Don’t you have a clue that maybe, just maybe I’ve already been there and done that. A man left you high and dry! Imagine that. I’m still confused as to why you thought you needed to tell me that people sometimes have to take jobs a Wendys to put food on the table. Gee I just thought the loved it! lol
There is no need to look down your nose at me Mary because I’m one of those dying breeds, I don’t care. Now you listen up! I don’t care what you think about me and I never will. You have a preconceived notion that all men are like the one that left you, so you lash out at those that are not like you, or don’t see things the way you think they should. He left you maybe you should ask yourself WHY. You’re not the first and won’t be the last, and God forbid if a WOMAN should ever leave a man for someone with better looks, a better job, a non-drinker, hell maybe he has better breath! God forbid in deed it’ll probably stop the presses!
Mark~~~~~~~~
December 5th, 2006 at 5:22 am
Blaundy~~
I agree 100% and that was exactly my point. Someone tried to say how intelligent this person was. I said intelligent people don’t do these types of things. Obviously this is what led to the ridiculous posts of some about fast food workers.!lol
Intelligent people know not to leave babies alone in locked cars for days at a time. She either is a dumb ass, is mentally ill, or was trying to kill the baby. Intelligence has NOTHING to do with justifying this action. Now hopefully she’ll get what she deserves. Stripped naked and left in a ditch in Minnesota in January!
Mark
December 5th, 2006 at 5:32 am
A Friend say~
lol~~~~~~~~touching! I don’t want to Dawg on her, Dawg! I’d just like to see her tied to a post in the town square and stoned to death! Just like you them there Religious Freaks used to do suspected witches back in the day~ eah~
Tell me is Heather a Witch, or just one of God’s flock, lost because of a strict home life.
The Butler did it! lol
Damn dumb bastards! Enough of this shit!
Mark
December 5th, 2006 at 6:37 am
Well Mark…I concede, you seem to be so wise and all knowing. Is it God I am speaking to? You are a pompous ass! And this will be the last words I address to you.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:05 am
Grow up Mary! Men, like women~ they are a dime a dozen! It’s the ones smart enough to accept things for what they are, knowing life is a two-way street, give and take, my punch stops at your nose types who are hard to replace, valuable beyond measure. People like my wife. I’m grateful beyond anything one could ever understand. What the hell does she see in me Mary? Maybe it is you off center!
Mark
December 5th, 2006 at 7:38 am
Blaundy and Terri, Excellent points! I would not leave a puppy at home alone for the weekend much less a precious child. And you know she wasn’t thinking of the child…cause is she was capable of that, she would have given it up for adoption, or for heaven’s sake…loved and cared for him!!
December 5th, 2006 at 7:41 am
A FRIEND,
I hope that you do know when you type your entire message in upper case, you are either yelling or completely ignorant to internet etiquette.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:26 am
I have to agree with Mark that I suspect she was trying to kill the baby… Come back from trip with boyfriend… find dead baby in laundry basket in his car… Then saying, “Where did this come from?”
December 5th, 2006 at 8:58 am
Yeah, but hello!!!! DNA testing???
December 5th, 2006 at 9:59 am
Yes… hello Pati… Maybe she didn’t think of that (DNA testing)… Usually when somebody thinks they have a perfect plan, it is not so perfect. Since she was so skinny, maybe she thought she would not be suspected of being the mother.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:42 am
Terri, I graent you that…and maybe 20 years ago…but in today’s world DNA has become a matter of standard procedure on found babies, dead or alive. That is one of the reasons the safe haven law is powerful and successful. Girls/women who leave their baby in this sort of safe way is guaranteed that DNA testing will not be done.
December 5th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Yes, I agree. But I was just saying that maybe SHE didn’t realize that, especially if she wasn’t in the best state of mind due to being stressed about what to do about the unwanted baby.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:16 pm
Granted again, but she had, let’s see…nine months, gee, everyone said she is very intelligent and in college…and correct me if I am worng, but aren’t counselors there?
December 5th, 2006 at 2:30 pm
My eldest daughter never opens up to anyone. She has ADHD and is severely depressed. She’s going to see the doctor tomorrow and I just know she won’t tell him anything. Maybe Heather is the same? (No excuse, believe me, but a possible explanation). Aslo it would mean admitting she wasn’t perfect, wouldn’t it?….Fiz.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
could be…I am not sure how your daughter is, but aren’t her friends saying what a close family, how relgious, how intelligent??? all of these should have given her somewhere to turn. I mean…Fix, if your daughter was in her same shoes, don’t you think that in nine months, she would have found someone to talk with??
I was a teenaged mother…VERY young…and while getting pregnant wasn’t the smartest thing to do, I think the choices I made were because I had a wodnerful dad. Ironically, he was the one I feared telling the most and he was my great champion.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:55 pm
OMG, mis-type, Fiz, not Fix…
December 5th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
FIZ~
important~ my ex was a rapid cycling bi-polar~ the worst case. If you need anything in the way of advice from someone who knows a great deal about the meds associated with these things DO NOT HESITATE to ask me.
This is a very very sticky, touchy area of medicine because the treatment of these patients is in it’s infancy as modern medicine goes.
I wish you all the best and please be very careful of the doctor who is trigger happy with the blood levels of certain meds. Read about them, all of them.
I gave 100% for 12 years to my ex thru episodes of depression so severe she would spend weeks in bed, then go months on a high that no sane person could deal with. I spent a few nights staying up all night as she held a razor blade to her wrist. She spent 2 full years of our marriage in hospitals or psyche facilities. My last straw was a Doctor who over medicated her to the point her heart rate dipped to 30 beats per for 4-5 hours, Scary, especially with the Sheriffs deputy knowing me and being sure he stayed between me and the Doctors! lol~ He just keep saying that’s Mark I know him, worked with him once, he’s crazy! lol God don’t put yourself/family thru that. Learn all you can.
Vanderbilt in Nashville is a very very good source of INFO. It’s one of the very best teaching facilities in the world. I guarantee you that they will answer any question you may have or direct you to the person who can help. A Doc down there saved my ex’s life, no question about it. He probably saved mine as well!
good luck,
Mark
December 5th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Mark, First of all, Fiz did not say her daughter is bi-polar and people can be depressed and not be bi-polar. And secondly, You are not a pharmacist or a doctor, so SHUT THE F&%K UP.
December 5th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
what did she say Pati~ ADHD and bi-polar disorder are similar in scope treated by similar meds` where blood levels are the key to success or failure!
Do me a favor, pick on someone your own size,and take your attitude and shove it! You’re making yourself to be quite the ASS in my opinion!
Mark~
PS. Pati you have me shaking in my bright yellow shirt!
December 5th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
again you ARE NOT a doctor and ADHD and bi-polar are not similar.
December 5th, 2006 at 3:29 pm
and…if you were even half way educated, Mark, you would KNOW that YOU DO NOT tell a mother something like that about their children.
December 5th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
sorry MISS PATI~ You’re wrong on this one. I’ve finally figured out that most everything is above your head. You need some serious evaluation by someone qualified, you see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear!
Simply do a search and read a little, I’m sure you’re capable, or maybe just cite a paragraph from your book~ ” Tips on the world by Pati ”
Enough of this circus already.
Mark
December 5th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
tell her what? You give new meaning to the term MOON BAT! Again reading something into a post that simply isn’t there. Don’t tell me that you see little green men every now and again!
I’m serious about the advice/help, obviously you doubt that, trying to twist it into something other than what it is. Shame on you!
What you gonna tell me next Pati~ how to draw a five iron? How to fillet a fish, gut a deer, throw a dart??????? Is there anything you don’t know, can’t see, haven’t done, can’t do? ANYTHING! Raise cats or dogs maybe? Read a racing form? Something!
I’m surprised you don’t know Jesus Christ personally!
Whacked!
December 5th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
fromhttp://add.about.com/od/comorbidconditions/a/adhdbipolar.htm
Although they may share characteristics, the underlying reasons for the behaviors are different. Those with ADHD may often break items (a common complaint of parents of children with ADHD) but may do so from carelessness or not paying attention to their environment. Destructiveness in people with bipolar disorder may do so out of anger and the inability to control their anger. Temper tantrums in children with ADHD are often caused by over-stimulation while those in children with bipolar disorder are many times the result of a conflict with authority.
December 5th, 2006 at 3:55 pm
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/53/50489.htm
ADHD Kids May Have Bipolar Disorder, Too
Treating ADHD Alone May Worsen Bipolar Symptoms By Paula Moyer
WebMD Medical News Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Tuesday, October 29, 2002
Oct. 29, 2002 (San Francisco) — Distractibility, hyperactivity, and talkativeness are all hallmark signs of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), as any parent of a child with ADHD can tell you. In a minority of children, though, they can also be signs of childhood-onset bipolar disorder.
A new study presented at the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry shows that a child can have both disorders and that simultaneous ADHD and bipolar disorder in a child may be a distinct disorder, according to Janet Wozniak, MD, who presented the study. Furthermore, because ADHD is more common than bipolar disorder, the latter diagnosis may be overlooked.
Therefore, when parents take a child with ADHD for treatment, they would be wise to share any family history of bipolar disorder with the doctor, said Wozniak, assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School in Boston, where she directs bipolar disorder research in the pediatric psychopharmacology department at Massachusetts General Hospital.
“If a child with ADHD has an undiagnosed bipolar disorder as well, conventional ADHD therapy can worsen the bipolar disorder,” she tells WebMD. The typical therapy for ADHD is a stimulant such as Ritalin or Adderall.
“The good news is that if the child also has bipolar disorder, we can treat those symptoms first with a mood-stabilizing medication,” she says. “Then if we treat any remaining ADHD symptoms with a stimulant, the child will typically be fine on the combined medications.”
Wozniak’s group wanted to know if there was a familial association of ADHD and bipolar disorder among parents and siblings of young people with bipolar disorder.
December 5th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
Mark, Not similar but can be concurrent…and it is wrong to give a diagnosis to a mother when 1) you are not qualified and 2) you do not personally know the child and the mother and 3) they did not ask for your diagnosis.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Fiz,
Let me say for the rest of us that we hope your daughter is able to talk to her doctor and that she knows how much you love her.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Fiz, I understand what you are saying, that there may be some explanation here beyond plain selfishness. Good luck with your daughter. I hope you find a doctor that she feels comfortable with.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:54 am
“A Friend”, you are absolutely right. I would love my children no matter what. This is not about love. This is about a lot of us trying to understand how this could happen. Why didn’t she get some help from somebody rather than leave the baby in the car? Why didn’t she tell her boyfriend? Together they could have worked out a better plan (I hope, one that would not endanger the child.)
It’s ironic that you say “you can’t disown your child.” This is so true, and it is exactly the reason why nobody can really understand how Heather could do this to her baby. It’s not natural at all, so there has to be some explanation.
What do you suggest we talk about besides “everyone else”? We are not talking about everyone, only criminals, and issues generally related to how and why they do what they do. We try to understand, and we share opinions. This is a CRIME RANT forum, and that is its purpose. I’m sure nobody would care if I posted here that I have a sore throat, it’s getting really cold outside, and I’m swamped at work.
I have a life, Friend, as I’m sure all the rest of us do.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:40 am
Mark, Pati, Terri, thank you for your concern. She actually told the docotor that she didn’t care if she lived or died, and felt like cutting again, so he drew the startlingly obvious conclusion that she had moderate depression and starts on some SSRI tomorrow! Sorry for posting this here, it’s just I don’t have your emails. Fiz. xxx
December 6th, 2006 at 7:50 am
Give me a break! She didn’t want the church to know…First off, it had nothing to do with the church, she NEVER wanted that baby. She hid not only being pregnant, but the fact that it was even born for 6 weeks. Not a religious fear, just a fear that she couldn’t go out and party like she wanted to! She didn’t get help because she didn’t want to bother with it. This child was an inconvenience to her and nothing more. I don’t even buy the who depression thing at this time. She’s a callous monster who should be “fixed” so she cannot destroy more children’s lives.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:05 am
You’re welcome Fiz… I hope the meds work for your daughter. Sometimes it takes a while, so don’t be discouraged if you don’t see a difference right away.
As for the baby, I’m so glad that somebody found him and that he is being taken care of. I hope he is getting a lot of love and cuddling.
Does anyone know if the father has seen his baby yet?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:42 am
Fiz, Glad to hear that everything is going to be fine. Did I mention that my husband is not only law enforcement but is a pharmacist? Well, he retired as a chief of police and went back into full time pharmacy and part time law enforcement. SSRIs are good meds but do take about a month to really start working. Just love her and encourage her. She has a great mom.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:33 am
Thanks, Pati, that means a lot to me. She’s furious with me for ‘interfering’. Fiz. xxx
December 6th, 2006 at 10:36 am
Link to news report about Heather Heck: It includes comments at the bottom, some of which are from people who claim to know her. I thought some may find this of interest.
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17524729&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=46371&rfi=15
December 6th, 2006 at 10:46 am
Here is a link to another article, which has a picture of Heather that may have been taken in court. http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=59885
December 6th, 2006 at 10:49 am
its not religion….its that she always was a wacko, get it?
December 6th, 2006 at 10:51 am
Terri, thanks for link. Very interesting comments from her community as well as other locations.
December 7th, 2006 at 4:36 am
This woman in sick. Doesen’t she have a consciuous? As a mother the thought of leaving your child alone is replusive. I just hope her family sees that she has mental issues that need to be address. She doesn’t deserve have custody or to be a mother. It is a privelage not a right.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:30 am
Pray for her?!?!?! Pray for that helpless little baby! Screw the mother and her selfishness. Most mothers I know would die to protect their children, not hide them and endanger their lives merely in order to pretend a faith they obviously don’t have. What a hypocrite. She’s upset that she got caught, not at what she did. I hope she gets the max.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
I also knew this person… And want to make sure you all have some things straight. Heather was very thin, and I saw her every weekend(during her pregnancy). You could not tell AT ALL that she was pregnant. She never showed. She was always very quiet, so there was no indication that anything was going on in her life. When she did speak to anyone, she was sweet. She was very intelligent, I believe she had some medical training, for physical therapy. Her boyfriend DID NOT live with her! He lives with his parents, and they spent most of their time together at his parents house. That’s how he never heard the baby cry. When he did go to her house, she would have him wait in the car for her. She said that she took “breaks” at work so that she could go home and feed the baby. She isn’t a cold-hearted person, just a very sick, messed up person… I do not know why she did this to her son, but I do know that it wasn’t because of her church… I know this for a fact! There is no reason for her to do this, that’s how I can say that she is just mentally ill. And I do pray for the baby, the baby’s father, and all of the ppl involved. But I do, also, pray for Heather… She needs our prayers, and I can’t imagine the things that she’ll be thinking for the rest of her life. I do so hope that she finds the Lord and makes things right with Him. I understand ppl’s anger in this case, but I also know that it is up to God to judge and only He truly knows what she was thinking and why she did this.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
And no, by the way, the father has not seen his son yet… In fact, not even sure if it is his baby. He’s waiting for DNA testing. But they keep holding him up on getting it done, they keep giving him some reason or another that he has to wait.
December 8th, 2006 at 6:54 pm
Thank you “I am me” for posting. You clear up much of the fuzzy parts and your contribution is appreciated.
December 11th, 2006 at 3:05 pm
You know, there are times as a parent your child(ren) make you so angry you could choke them, literally, but never in a million years would I think to hide a new born baby, let alone leave it unattended for days. I was a teenage mother, had him two day before my 18th birthday. I had plans for my life that did not involve having a baby, but guess what, plans got changed and quick!
I came from a very strict family environment where having sex and getting pregnant was a absolute no no. I found out at 8wks and it took me another 6 wks to tell my parents. I was scared and didn’t know what to do. Know 18 years later here I am posting about a young woman who decided that her baby was not worth her time.
My stomach hurts just thinking about it. It is possible that she has some kind of mental issue, but still that is no excuse. I hope that whatever the case, the baby is placed with people who will care for him and love him to pieces.
As far as the boyfriend not know, I’m torn. It doesn’t take a lot of sexual activity to conceive and if they were not real sexually active, it is possible for him not to have known. Based on hours she is said to have worked, I can’t imagine her having much time to be sexually active, but only God knows the truth.
Also, if she was working and standing that many hours a day, it would have been quite easy for her to have a light/easy labor. I walked a great deal when I was pregnant and was already diliated 4 cm before I went into full blown labor.
My prayers go out to the families involved.
December 11th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
Yep, I played tennis up to my 7th month and walked every day, therefore I had a very short labor….so I do know that it is possible.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
“I am me” are you friends with Heather??? I am really struggling with this..do you forgive her, would you support her if she called you? I understand praying for her and God’s mercy. But it seems to me that she does not even realize the severity of what has happened. Like she is still thinking only of herself, I don’t know..but I am struggling with this. I hear at least now she has the support of her family in this.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
and does anyone know what “general release” means, because according to the court website she is out of custody on general release?
December 12th, 2006 at 7:49 am
I am wondering that myself…could it be that they don’t consider her a flight risk and that she’ll appear in court?
December 12th, 2006 at 11:32 am
Wendys, Yes I am friends with Heather, but it’s not really my place to forgive or not forgive her. She didn’t “wrong” me. I do not agree with what she did, at all! I feel that she was very wrong in what she did to her baby, but I don’t what was going through her head… I feel sorry for Heather because what state of mind would a person have to be in to do such a thing?? That makes me know that she’s not ok in the head, and she couldn’t help that. And the fact that she doesn’t realize the severity of what she’s done is further proof that something’s just not right. Would I support her? I don’t know if that’s the way I would put it, but if you mean would I be there for her if she needed me… Yes I would. I just hope that she gets the help she so desperately needs!
December 13th, 2006 at 8:58 am
For someone who has never been in trouble before, other than a speeding ticket and a traffic accident, do you think she will do jail time? Even when she was in the county jail she wasn’t in a cell, they kept her in the dayroom (living area) because they were concerned other inmates would hurt her. I wonder if she’ll be sent to jail, or if she’ll just get probation.
December 13th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
“I am me” Please let us know when the father gets tested? I am almost certain this would be his baby, but I would love to know when this baby gets out of foster care. We know both families, but speak to them occasionally, not regularly. I’m sure it’s going to be quite hectic with all the attention. The paper has already tried to locate Heather, but they haven’t stated where she is. (Thank God). I’m sure Heather’s family will make sure she gets help.
December 19th, 2006 at 11:27 am
Well, he was finally able to have a blood test done, still no results as of yet, but hopefully soon we’ll all know if it’s his baby or not. The baby was at children’s services at the same time that he was there for the test, so he was able to see and even hold him. The baby was happy and healthy, he was smiling and laughing at the family. I don’t know for sure when the results will be in, they said like 4 or 5 weeks, but when I find out, I will post what I know.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:22 pm
Hello. This child is my nephew. I am the aunt of the babys father. There are so many things that I’d love to be able to talk about in all of this, but since the case is ongoing, I don’t feel as if I can say too much. Heather and my nephew didn’t live together, as someone explained, and never have. Yes, the DNA test is done and we’re anxiously waiting for the results. Unfortunately, these things take longer than we’d like them to so we have to be patient. I wish I could explain how Heather managed to carry this beautiful baby boy without anyone – including my nephew – knowing that she was pregnant. She gave him an explanation for this little “bump” in her belly, and when the case is closed, I’ll feel more comfortable with talking about it. Heather was with our family eight days before she delivered this baby at her home, and none of had a clue that she was pregnant! No, we don’t know if the baby was a preemie or not, and I don’t even know if Heather herself knows. My nephew is seeking custody of his baby, and already has everything (and more) that he needs to bring him home. Even though the DNA results aren’t back yet, we’re sure my nephew is the father. All of our hearts will be broken if the test shows otherwise, and most of all my nephews. He has already held the baby, bought clothes, blankets, play yard etc…he’s even bought Christmas gifts and his family is thinking of leaving the tree up until the baby comes home. Mark, you can’t even begin to know how wrong you are in the things that you’ve said. After reading your description of what you think my nephew must look like, it’s obvious that you don’t know him personally. In fact, you don’t know him at all. If you did, you’d know that he’d never be capable of having a child and allowing anything to happen to him. My nephew would lay down his life to protect his child, and anyone else in his family. This case made national news, and I hope that it makes national news a year from now too, so everyone can see this beautiful boy with his father, grandparents, and the rest of the family.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Lilbit,
Thank you for your brave post. Please know that not all of us think like Mark.
From the beginning I felt it was possible for her to conceal the pregnacy. Primarily I think she was afraid this baby was going to derail all of her best laid plans and was just plain scared. It doesn’t excuse what she did, but it does help to understand what happened. I think the best thing that can come out of this is that the child belongs to your family where he will be welcome and loved and secondly, that society can use this as a teachable moment so that young girls know they have choices that are safe for the baby.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:07 pm
Hi Pati. I too hope that if there’s a young woman out there who is scared, and doesn’t know where to turn, will realize that there are options available to them. There are laws in place that allow parents to take a child to the hospital and other emergency places within 72 hours. I think it’s a wonderful idea, but I’d like to see the law changed to allow more time. In fact, I don’t think there should be a time limit on this. I’d rather see a child who is even five or six years old taken to a place where they’re safe, than to just be abandoned. This entire ordeal has been very upsetting for everyone involved. I’ve never met Heathers parents, but I’m sure that they too have been reeling from all of this, just as the rest of us are. I just keep thinking about how all of this could have been avoided if Heather would have told someone – anyone – that she was pregnant.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:58 pm
Lilbit,
Please let us know when that precious child is welcomed into your family.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:13 pm
I too know Heather, and I am extremely confused with the whole situation. I haven’t been able to contact her, but I wish I could. I’m not saying that I agree with what she did, but I’m sure she could use a shoulder to cry on. As for Wesley and his family, I wish you nothing but happiness for this little boy. I’m sure that everything will work out the way it is supposed to. But I can’t help to wonder some things: Has Heather and Wesley even talked since all of this happened? Are they going to try to raise their son together? Has she even explained anything? I know Heather has a warm heart. I know that she has always wanted a family, and that is why none of this makes any sence to me…she has the heart of a mother, and of a wife. I’m sure her heart is breaking. I’m sure all of your hearts are, everyone’s that is involved. I know it broke my heart…and I haven’t seen her in years. Something isn’t right and I just hope she gets the help she needs to get her through all of this. She was, and I’m sure still is, a very loving, happy, dedicated, faithfull, intellegent young lady. She was once almost a part of our family, and I hope that she knows that she can always come to us if she needed a shoulder to cry on or an ear to listen. Keep us updated on the baby. Glad he’s doing well, and Merry Christmas.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:18 am
Confused: You can contact Heather at Wendys in Middleburg Heights on Bagley Road.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:37 am
Can someone get a message to Heather for me? Contact me through my web site http://www.greggolsen.com
Gregg
December 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
Thanks “me and me alone”. I’m sure she will be shocked to hear from me since I haven’t seen or talked to her in years.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
“Me and me alone”, do you still talk to her?
December 26th, 2006 at 6:21 pm
I don’t know Heather personally, but I have heard of her from others who just knew who she was, and “Confused” does bring up some interesting questions. Has Heather explained anything to Wesley? Are they eventually going to raise there son together? Or does he just hate her for what she did? Does he wish she would rot in jail?
December 26th, 2006 at 6:24 pm
I don’t personally know her, but I do know some that just knew who Heather is, and “confused” does bring up some interresting questions. Has Heather explained ANYTHING to Wesley? Are they eventually going to raise the baby together? Or does he hate her and wishes she would rot in hell?
December 26th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
I know who Heather is. I’ve known her for many years. I’ve even “dated” her. Well, sorta. We went out a few times, but her “standards” are so high when it comes to who she dates that I never made the cut. There were times that I would call her while she was dating Wesley, just to say hello, and I was so happy to hear that she finally had someone who made her as happy as he did. Heather broke my heart when she said she didn’t love me, but it was always eased when I knew that she found the one she wanted to spend her life with. Now that I know how to contact her, I will let her know that there is nothing on this earth that she could ever do that could ever make me stop loving her. I have loved Heather long before our first date, and now I may have that opportunity to tell her that after all of these years, I still regret what I did to her to make her not wanting to see me, to be with me. I know that I could have made her happy. And she does have a caring, warm heart. As for Wesley, he had to have been a very lucky man while the two of them were together. And I would have died to have with her what they had. He must have been really special to her for her to have talked the way she did about him. Always so proud. It made me happy to hear that she finally had someone who loved her, and for her to love back. They were talking about marriage, weren’t they? For those of you who know who he is, if he still cares for her, he should tell her. He may regret it for the rest of his life if he doesn’t, especially now that they have a son together. They will always “have to” see each other. I would love for the two of us to talk. I would love to see her because I love her. And nothing can ever make me think otherwise. And if Wesley did love her the way she always made it sound, he would think the same way. But now that I know how to contact her, I will call her at work. Thanks for letting everyone know where she can be located, because I never would have known
December 26th, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Loving her: Can I ask what is wrong with you? Do you not know what she did, or do you not have compassion for the poor little boy that she cared nothing for? I understand that people care for her but how about a little bit of a consequence or something come on! You are going on and on about how she is a great person, well what kind of great person would do this to a baby? I have kids and had them young and never ever thought once about doing anything but taking care of them. I am one of the people that do not understand why she is out of jail and I would like to see her pay for what she did. Their are too many parents getting away with mistreating their kids.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Lifetime: I’m not saying that she should have done what she did…BY FAR!!!!!!!!!!!! But as someone who does know her, and someone who does love her, I can still look past all of that and see who she really is. Caring, loyal, dedicated. She has a very big, loving, warming heart. And everyone who knows her, knows that. Whether or not they want to admit it, they all know it!!!! They all know that somethings not right. Something isn’t adding up. I do hope that this baby is nothing but happy, for the rest of his life. He deserves to be loved, and I know that he will be. But to everyone who knows Heather, TRULEY knows her, you know that she is nothing that some make her out to be. I can’t wait to see her. I can’t wait to talk to her. All of this may have been avoided if she opened up to someone, which IS her greatest weekness. She fears disappointment. She always has. I’m not saying that that is the reason, because I don’t know. And I hope that she does have someone in her life whom she trusts that she can now talk to and figure out what exactly did go wrong. Whether it’s her boyfriend, friend, relative, counsler, whoever. She’s not like most people. She really truely is wonderful.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:46 pm
To all of those who do know Heather, truely knows her, you know that she isn’t what some people make her out to be. If she decides to open up to me, I will let her, and I will never turn my back on her for doing so.
December 27th, 2006 at 9:17 am
OK I get that but you are saying that people are making her out to be something, Sorry but I say SHE made herself out to be the monster people think she is when SHE chose to hide her pregnancy from everyone, deliver the baby by herself and then hide him and leave him in closets when her boyfriend would come over, and then leave the little baby boy in a car naked with nothing but a spoiled bottle of formula like a six week old baby is capable of feeding himself, sorry but the public is not making her anything it was her, she needs to have a consequence of some sort. If you choose to love her I just hope you don’t plan on having any kids with her….I don’t think she should be allowed to have any other kids!!
December 27th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
add to the list Andrea Yates. Texas woman that drowned her children because the voices told her to save them. I for one am glad for how this case has gone for her. As for him? Remarried? Does the woman not learn from the first wife’s experience? barefoot and pregnant for several years in a row? Told not to conceive again but he does anyway then look what happens.
December 28th, 2006 at 7:41 am
Jeanne,
He still is involved in fundamentalist church, I think history could repeat itself.
January 3rd, 2007 at 9:33 am
Good Job “me and me alone” for giving Heather’s stalker her direct location….I’m sure he’ll be getting a hold of her shortly. Go for it “loving her”. Sounds like you two could both benefit from the same counselor and live happily ever after.
Right on lifetime..I second that opinion. We as a society should implement a demand for her consequences. Of which yet I have seen NONE. Not even a job loss. Justice???? Maybe some day. I’m sure someday. Rumor has it she attempted to see the baby… anyone know for sure?
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:22 am
Well I say if she did try to see the baby, they should have locked her up right then and there, but I am sure as twisted as this world is her and her boyfriend will be back together and they will raise this baby together. I still want to see her pay for this somehow, I am with you Wendy’s I think she deserves to be in jail and we should see justice done somewhere somehow.
January 5th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Well, I used to work with this girl at the North Ridgeville Wendy’s. She was one of my managers for a year and a half. Let me tell you she was no role model. She was edgy, rude, insulting, swore every chance she could, and was just a plain old jerk- she was no amazing christian like she is trying to claim. I would be HAPPY to testify against her in court.
January 7th, 2007 at 8:18 am
Oh Bob….do tell us more, please.
January 8th, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Well, what would you like to know?
January 8th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Bob,
How long ago did you work with her?
Was it while she was pregnant?
Did other employees ever gripe or grumble about her behind her back?
January 9th, 2007 at 8:02 pm
Pati,
To respond to your questions:
It was about 3 years ago that I worked with her(I’ve moved on to much bigger and better things since then), so no it wasn’t while she was pregnant.
I did have some small contact with her while she was pregnant though, as one of my friends still worked there. Nothing appeared any different about her, so I guess she hid it well. And to answer the final question- just about every other person that worked there(including other managers) “griped and grumbled” behind her back. She wasn’t a very popular person amongst the employees.
January 10th, 2007 at 3:24 am
I believe she could have been trying to kill her 6-week old baby. If not, then she certainly didn’t care if he ended up dying. I believe this because she chose to keep her pregnancy from everyone, her parents, her friends and her boyfriend. I think that if you’d like to keep your pregnancy from everyone for no good reason then you’re capable of killing the baby or abandoning them and not even care. And why did she not want anyone to know about her pregnancy? Why? She’s 23. It’s not like she’s under 18 and she’s just afraid to tell her parents. And yeah, how could have her boyfriend not have known about her pregnancy. I think it’s possible to hide it and even for the first six weeks after she gave birth. But she had to have been very good at it. But if the couple continued to have sex when she was at least 4 months pregnant, it sure would seem like the boyfriend could tell or at least suspect. And there are plenty of moms you hear about that leave their baby alone while they’re off doing something else of convenience to them. I definetly think they need to be tougher on the parents of child abuse because too many people are getting away with it or getting off lightly because of their “excuses”. And it’s not right and it’s sick. There are alot of child abuse cases. And this is just a list of moms of child abuse.
Andrea Yates- drowning of 5 kids in the bathtub. (nobody will ever be able to forget about that)
Dec. ‘06- The mom (they think) that put the 3-week old baby in the microwave for a few seconds then took it to bed and left with husband to a party while the babysitter was there with the other 2 kids. The mother confessed later saying (this is what i heard) “I did not mean to. I didn’t know it would harm the baby” or something like that. How could that possibly be an accident? How do you put a baby in the microwave accidently? You can’t! And saying that she didn’t know it would harm the baby?! Please! If she sincerely didn’t know that, then she’s stupid and she shouldn’t be having any kids!
Melissa Drexley aka “prom mom”- Delivered a baby in a bathroom stall at prom. After, put the baby in a trash can and went back on the dance floor and requested “The Unforgiven” by Metallica. (Which I like that song, by the way). But how approitate that she requested that song for her boyfriend. And how could she have hid her pregnancy, just like this woman in the story? And it seems like the baby’s father, her friends and her new boyfriend would have at least suspected that she was pregnant.
Dec. ‘06-The 2-month old that got drunk on vodka! The mom fed her son vodka from a water bottle. She later said that she thought it was water instead of vodka after calling for the ambulance. That’s unbelieveable! She is 19 years old. I am the same age as her. And I have enough common sense to not give the baby something to drink without testing it first. It looks to me that she would have tested it first before giving it to the baby, making sure that it wasn’t too hot or that it tasted alright. And who puts vodka into a water bottle anyway? They say the boyfriend might have done this. But they shouldn’t have put vodka in the water bottle if they thought that it could have possibly get mistaken for water when they have a baby around if it really was an accident. And did she know how long that water bottle had been in the car before she had given it to the baby? I think, if I had to guess how long something has been in the car or if it’s still alright for the baby then I’m not going to give it to the baby in the first place! And there was 3 ounces of vodka that the baby drank, which is alot for the baby. I have to wonder what the long term side effects are going to have on the baby, cause you know what drinking during pregnancy will do, but this would have long term side effects that would interfere with their learning and speech. That baby could have died. And when I saw the mother on tv, she looked like she had been on drugs before, which wouldn’t suprise me if she had taken or taking drugs. Like I said, I’m the same age as the mom and if I had a baby right now then you can bet that I would be responsible enough.
And what about all the moms that leave their babies or little children in the car alone? Like the mom that left her baby in the car while she went inside a Albuqueque mall last month. She had a little dog in her purse, left her 2-year old child in the car and took her dog with her. She asked the Valet Parking to watch her car and then mentioned to watch her child for her while she went in to shop. She asked if it was wrong for her to do this and the guard said yes and then said she would be right back and went in to shop anyways, after the guard told her that it was wrong. The guard called the police and when she got out the police were waiting for her. She said that she was planning on paying the valet really well and asked the police to go back inside to get her gift for her child after saying that she left her child alone in the car because she did not want the child to see what she was getting him. That sure is an unbelieveable excuse. That’s a woman that just doesn’t get it and thinks that the whole world revolves around her and that everything is just a convenience to her and that it should be. A number of things could have happened while she was in the store, the child getting out of the car, putting the car out of gear, kidnapping, choking on something in the car, getting their hands on something dangerous to them, burning up and etc. And I wouldn’t even leave a baby alone in the car to even put up a shopping cart.
And the list goes on and on about abusive mothers and parents, not just mothers. I am just really amazed that any parent or mother would treat their child lower than dirt. These people just don’t get it. And what about the women that are married and try to have children but can’t get pregnant but there are the mothers out there that do amazingly sick things to their children or get an abortion like it’s nothing?! I would imagine it makes these women that actually want children feel pretty bad, as some women that would sacfrice so much just to have a kid. And all these young females that do these things to their babies and get an abortion is just suprising and the moms that go out and kill their chidren. It’s just an excuse after excuse because they don’t want to face the consequences. “Oh, I was insane, I thought the baby was dead, I didn’t know it was wrong, I was scared…” And whatever they can come up with. If they don’t want kids or don’t think they are ready to have kids, then why do they have unprotected sex in the first place (assuming that it’s unprotected cause there’s still a chance with protected)? Some teens and young adult females are so unaware of the consequences. Do they seriously think there are no consequences to having sex? Some of them are irrepsonsible, naive, and immature. And some people, not just young people or mothers, shouldn’t even be having kids in the first place! If they are going to treat them like trash or not even care, they shouldn’t even be having kids. And with mothers that do this kind of stuff should be put away and have their tubes tied so they can’t have another child to do this kind of thing to them. And the mothers or parents that don’t dress their kids approitately when they go outside in the weather, whether it’s they dress the babies with not much on a cold day or dress them with too much on a hot day. Don’t they think that the babies can feel that and have feelings like the rest of us? Just because they can’t tell us in English language yet doesn’t mean they don’t have the same feelings as the rest of us. And verbal abuse is bad too. Calling your child “stupid” or “shithead” or whatever it is that puts them down is just not acceptable and they might grow up with low self-esteem and other effects. I think that all parents should treat their kids like they are worth something and treat them like they should be treated. I know when I have kids, I am going to treat them like they should be treated. And I know that I don’t fully understand on really how full-time it is to raise a kid and how expensive it is because i don’t have kids yet but I’ll understand that it really is full-time and almost everything is inconvient and scarfrices when I actually do have kids. Like I said before at the beginning, I definetly think they need to be tougher on the parents of child abuse because too many people are getting away with it or getting off lightly because of their “excuses”. And it’s not right and it’s sick.
And that’s all I got to say. Whoo, I know, that’s alot. But I’m done.
January 10th, 2007 at 6:59 am
Bob,
Thank you for coming forward. From the outset of this discussion I said this woman is probably suffering from a personality disorder. I say this because if it were a chemcial imbalance I doubt seriously she could have balanced school and a job.
But there is something highly irregualr about an adult woman choosing to hide a pregancy and tehn go on an out of town trip.
I bet this woman is high on intelligence and low on common sense. And she probably thought that when she came back the baby would be dead and she would have been innocent cause the baby did not die at her hands. Well it may have sounded better in her head, ‘cuz, abandoning a child is to cause the death of the child.
January 10th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
After reading some of these responses late last night, most from some of the people that knew her, I don’t really understand why these people that know her seem to have sympathy for her. Look what she did to her baby! And she kept her pregnancy a secret from everyone! I don’t know about you, but if I was one of her friends, her family members or her boyfriend then I would be so hurt that she didn’t tell me that she was pregnant. She kept on lying about it. And why do some people that know her still have sympathy for her? Like that guy’s response I read that he was once in love with her and dated her. And he kept saying on how great of a person she was. And I agree with the response after his, with what great person would do this to a child! And what great person hides her pregnancy from everyone and lie about it when she gets questioned about her emotions or her belly! She couldn’t have been that great. I don’t buy that she was afraid to tell anyone because she was afraid if she did tell anyone then her church would disown her. If she truly thought that then how did she think the church would react when they found out with what she did! I don’t know how anyone that knows her can feel that much sympathy for her and continue to say what a great person she is. She lied to everyone she knew! Maybe I’d feel different if she or someone that did something similar to this was a family member of mine, but if that was the case then I wouldn’t say on how great the person was knowing what they did. And I would still think they need to be put away and need help. I hope they don’t give any rights to her for the child because she’s already proven that she doesn’t deserve any of those rights. And I hope she can get her tubes tied so she can’t ever have any more children to prevent this from happening again. And I hope that she gets the amount of time she deserves to serve in jail.
*The law needs to get tougher on these moms and parents that abuse their children or any children. Remember back in the day, they hung witches, they put people to death that did these kind of sick things and they made the woman to wear an “A” for adultery in the scarlet letter. Now days, what punishment do you get for adultery? Nothing. It’s pretty much acceptable now. All of these moms and other people that do other unspeakable crimes do it because they know that they can get away with it! Our law is way, way, way too “NICE” to these people that commit such crimes! They need to get tougher on these people and not listen to their excuses! Their excuses shouldn’t count! And the crimes and child abuse is only going to get worse in the years to come because sometimes the parents that raise them or the person knows that they can get away with it because of our law.*
January 11th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Hi Bob, I worked at North Ridgeville with Heather (shorty) also. I too have moved on to better things.
I absolutely despised her then. I also felt that the other employees could not stand her, so I am amazed at all the employee support. She would be so sweet to people she needed (who could do for her), and then cruel and evil to others. I am certain she was in her right mind, and I agree with the theory that she hoped the baby would die (but not at her hands). I think she would justify the babys death that way. She would have disposed of the body, and maybe no one would have ever known. I hope she is evaluated and found perfectly sound and fit…to serve time. She hid the pregnancy and baby because she is SELFISH!!! It would have changed her life and she did not want that. Please keep us informed…anyone about her legal situation.
January 11th, 2007 at 6:46 pm
Interesting…
January 11th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Does anyone remember the case where the husband beat his wife to death, in front of their little girl? I think she was either 4 or 6 years old. The father fought from inside the prison walls to have his visitation “rights” enforced? This little girl was scared to death, and didn’t want to go to prison to see him, but she was forced to! It was court ordered! Some of these laws are so screwed up that it’s pathetic. Is there anyone here who doesn’t think that Heather will get visitation rights to the baby? Bet your biggest check on it – she’ll have visitation! Will she do prison time for her crime? I doubt it. Most in this area think she’s going to get a slap on the wrist. Sadly, I think that will be the case too.
January 12th, 2007 at 4:41 am
are her parents paying for a lawyer?
January 12th, 2007 at 8:13 pm
To the best of my knowledge she has a court appointed attorney. I’m pretty sure I read that in one of the newspapers.
January 12th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
then in that case, she might not get the things you are suggesting unless you know something and are not telling us here.
January 16th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
It seems that the media has completely died down regarding this case. She is back to work, and appearing as though everything is just business as usual.
Unfortunately I think it will all blow over and she’ll convince herself that her life hasn’t changed and the world will allow her to continue on in her own oblivion. I mean would you possibly even concieve of returning to the same company and employer, having everyone know what you did??? Not unless you thought what you did wasn’t so bad, or that everyone thinks so much of you it doesn’t matter. She should be cowering in a hole with shame. Show some remorse for God’s sake.
January 18th, 2007 at 2:03 am
I think this has a lot to do with why so many people get away with crimes like this. Life goes on, and the guilty party quietly walks off into the sunset. And each of us, myself included, are guilty of allowing this to happen because we don’t make our opinions known to the judges all over the country. We need to demand that justice be done in all of these cases where innocent children are harmed. And I’m not saying that one person should be put in jail to be used as an example of what will happen when people commit crimes. I’m saying that all people should do time in jail for these crimes, period! There are laws in place that allow these mothers to take their children to a safe place. There’s absolutely no excuse for dumping or hurting a child.
January 18th, 2007 at 10:08 am
I agree 100%. Someone needs to stand up and speak for the innocent who can’t. Some families speak at trials or in court confronting the guilty and make pleas to enforce a sentence. Who is going to speak for that baby. About the lonliness and hunger pains he suffered. Who will describe to the judge the pain the infant felt when his urine burned his bedsores. About the cold and insecurities he must have felt being alone and unclothed in a garage. It just sickens me!!! I’m sure there will be someone there to declare what a great person Heather is and how she was just scared (at 23, living on her own with a job and education). Give me a break.
February 2nd, 2007 at 6:39 pm
On a more constructive note: (Though I must say, reading everyone’s posts was fascinating). I was reading it b/c I live a few minutes away from her and just heard about it today on the local news – was shocked.
Anyway – you know how you have that ‘birds and bees’ talk with your kids when they hit a certain age? Or the famous ‘inappropriate touch by grownups’ talk? Or the ‘fight like a tiger and scream if anyone ever tries to abduct you’ speech?
Well – one of my routine speeches to my girls was ‘I know that you say you are not sexually active. I still want you to know that if you become active, please make sure you are protected – and if you accidentally become pregnant, please know you can come and tell me’.
This is a speech to girls who are very unlikely to be having sex or getting pregnant – however I tell them this as a routine precaution, part of my responsibility as a parent. I don’t ever want to find out afterwards that a child of mine became pregnant and did something rash or wrong, because she did not know that she could come and tell me.
So I think it is the responsibility of every parent to tell a child over the age of 15 (approx) that the parent wants the child to come to them if there is ever a problem.
Its kind of like a parent telling a child that if they ever drink or use drugs, they can call the parent to come get them – so that they are not scared to tell, get in their car and have an accident.
I’m not blaming Heather’s parents at all – I’m simply suggesting to all of us as parents to consider having the routine ‘you can tell me’ speech with our children as a precautionary measure.
February 7th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Well, it’s been a while since this horrible thing was done, but I wanted to let you all know that the test came back, and the baby is in fact Wesley’s… He has him home with him now, and he is doing wonderful! He’s a very cute little boy and very happy and healthy! Gaining weight as he should and laughing and playing already… just perfect! The family is so happy to have him with them.
Heather is still working at Wendys, and sadly she does have visitation with the baby. It’s not right at all… It is supervised however. I don’t know what’s going on as far as the case is concerned, but will repost with any new information…
February 8th, 2007 at 7:32 am
Are you kidding???? This girl practically tried to kill this baby and she now has visitation to him??? That is horrible, what are they going to tell the baby when he gets older, your mom tried to kill you but she is still able to see you? What is wrong with our court systems? I still think she should be in jail but I am sure she will not do another second in jail.
February 8th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Yes, Heather does have visitation, and to be honest, I don’t get it either. In my opinion, the day she chose to leave the baby in the garage and not look back, was the day she gave up all rights to him. Sadly though, the court system doesn’t share my opinion, and the opinion of many others.
The baby is very well cared for now though and is the center of attention in our family. I look into his beautiful blue eyes and ask myself how Heather could do this to him? Didn’t she ever look into those same eyes at least once when she held him? And if she did, how did he not melt her heart the way he has melted mine? I wonder too how Wesley will ever explain this to him when he’s older? Is there ever going to be a “good” time to sit him down and have this talk with him? He will always be surrounded with love and that alone will help him to cope with things that life throws his way, but it will still be heart breaking when the family has to tell him what Heather did to him. I have all of the newspaper articles to give to Wesley and his family when the time is right for them to tell him. Maybe I should also print some articles from here to show him that even complete strangers were pulling for him.
Wesley seems to be a natural when it comes to fatherhood and is a very good and loving father. Both he and the baby light up when they see each other and it makes my heart feel good to see that.
February 12th, 2007 at 10:13 am
lilbit, I am so glad you are posting. To know the baby is doing well is wonderful news. Have you seen Heather with the baby, I wonder how she interacts with him. Is it an attempt to get back with wiggy or is she sincere in her efforts? These are just some things in my thoughts. I wonder if she is mentally ill. Who could just return to their life with no shame or remorse. As if she was just a child who’d made a mistake, not an educated adult who made a decision. Please keep us informed on her legal situation. I’d like to know if she eventually suffers any consequences.
February 14th, 2007 at 5:50 pm
No, I haven’t seen Heather at all. I’m not in her shoes, therefore I can’t say for sure what’s in her head. If you’re asking for my opinion – my opinion is that she’s more concerned about getting my nephew to take her back than she is about anything else. Also, in my opinion he’d be crazy to ever trust her again. You have to understand how difficult it is for me to post here because there are so many things that I want to say, and for various reasons, I can’t. I can however offer my own personal opinion about her. What she did to my nephew is something that she should pay for, and she should pay for it in prison. Do I think she should do a life sentence? No. But I don’t think she should do anything less than a year. Minimum. Nothing in her life seems to have changed. She is very self-centered and her wants and needs will always come first. Recently someone tried to tell her that people do not like her for what she did to the baby and her response was “I don’t care!” Exactly! She doesn’t care! She still has her job. She gets visitation to the baby. She goes to work every day. She lives with her parents. What in her life has changed? Is she mentally ill? I’m not qualified to make that call. But I guess we’d all like to think that she must be. Otherwise we’re forced to think that she has to be a cold hearted monster that would take a beautiful child, put him in a garage and leave for three days! Once again, it’s just my opinion, but I don’t think she ever thought she’d come home to a live baby. And what if things had turned out differently? Would someone have found the body of a “baby Doe” in a dumpster or something, and she would have walked away free and clear? After all, even people who were close to her, or saw her every day didn’t know she was pregnant! And here’s something that really bothers me, and we’ll never have the answer…when she and my nephew first started dating she had a little “bump” in her belly and someone jokingly asked her if she was pregant. I’m not sure, but I think it was someone that she worked with that asked her. She said that she wasn’t pregnant. That she was on meds for her pancreas and they caused her stomach to swell. She said that when she was no longer on the meds, the swelling would go down. How ironic, because when she was pregnant this time she gave that same story! So, if she was pregnant at that time, where is that baby? Did she lose it before she gave birth? Is it in a grave somewhere, just waiting for someone to discover the body? Was it easy for her to hide my nephew in the truck because she’s gotten away with this before? Was there even another baby at all? We not only have so many unanswered questions about my baby nephew now, but we have questions about her past too, and we’ll never have answers for any of them. I don’t know when she might finally be sentenced for what she did, but I hope that the judge who handles her case has no sympathy for her at all!
February 17th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Well I have to say that I have known her in the past and I did not like her. I think she is a selfish bitch and I think that she needs to go to prison and pay for what she did. I can not believe that the court system in this country would even ever let her look at this baby, she should be thrown in prison and left there for the maximum amount of time that they can leave her there for her crime. She is not mental she is just a selfish person that should never be able to be a mother and should not be anywhere near kids.
February 18th, 2007 at 4:00 am
I agree with you Lifetime. These women cannot be allowed to continue to hurt innocent children and walk away. I am just so thankful that the baby survived and that he is here as a blessing in all of our lives! As for Heather, I hope that the judge gives her the maximum sentence also. I have absolutely no sympathy for her. None!
February 18th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
I’ve known this family almost my entire life. We will NEVER know the whole story and people are going to choose to believe what they want to anyways regardless of what happens. Pray for Heather & her family. The Hecks are great, loving people. I hope & pray that this miraculous little boy gets to grow up in the same loving household that his aunt & uncles grew up in. I would hope that this is a situation that the community could rally around. Regardless of your opinion of Heather, please do not judge her family based on assumptions & media exaggerations. I believe that EVERYONE wants what’s best for this precious child. He deserves to be loved by his family & live with them. Please show love & support, not anger & hate.
February 18th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
I do feel for Heathers family. I’m sure her parents are just as confused by all of this as the rest of us are. If Heather had been a 13 year old girl that was afraid, maybe I could better understand her keeping her pregnancy a secret. I might even understand hiding a baby for a day, if it were a young teenager. But Heather is a 23 year old woman! Not a scared child. I keep hearing that her family is close and support their children, and that might be true. But I can’t understand why she didn’t tell her parents that she was pregnant. Even if they were disappointed, they would have stood behind her, right? You say you know the family well, so you might know how they would have reacted if she had told them. There isn’t a soul in our family who can understand why she didn’t tell Wesley that she was pregnant. He loved Heather and would have taken care of her and the baby. He would have married her if she would have wanted to marry him. I’d like to think too that the community would rally around this situation. However, not in the same respect that you do. I’d like to see the community voice their anger about another child who was put in harms way by a so-called parent. I’d like to see people contact the judge and insist that justice be served for the baby. Personally, I do show love and support for Wesley and the baby. And no, I do not hate Heather! But I do hate what she did to the baby! And yes, I’m very angry about it! She went to work day after day for 10 or more hours a day and left my nephew in a closet! She hid him in a truck, picked up Wesley and left for Pa to visit her family for three days! And you ask me to not be angry? I would have been this angry if this had been a total stranger! How do you think I can feel anything but anger toward Heather since the baby is my nephew? Please don’t think this is a personal attack on you and your post. It’s not. Please don’t think that I’m angry with Heathers parents. They can’t be held responsible for a decision that their daughter made at 23 years old and I understand that. I also understand that they’re going to stand behind thier daughter. As a parent myself I can dislike a decision that my child makes, but I’d never turn my back on them no matter what they did. And neither should Heathers parents. I respect them for that. I read posts from Heathers friends and family members, supporting her and talking about what a wonderful person she is. I’m numb to them. I think of the baby and the many, many hours that he went unfed, unclothed and unloved and I can’t imagine that a “wonderful” person could ever do anything like this.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Thank you lilbit!!! Its about time someone close to the situation voiced the truth! I do so hope she does real prison time. So she can realize that leaving a baby to die isn’t just a character flaw. It is possible in my life and circle that I live in, to come in contact with Heather, I don’t know if I could even look her in the face. Or maybe worse, I won’t be able to control my mouth. Sometimes I hope to see her, and other times I pray not to. I do sincerely wish to see her on channel 3 being hauled from the court room in cuffs. I have known her on a personal level and despised her from the beginning. I had a feeling inside that she was evil, though it seemed no one else could see it. Even now with everyone supporting her…what are they thinking.
Good luck Lilbit, I do truly wish you and your family the best. I know times can be hard…my prayers are with you. Kiss that baby for us.
February 21st, 2007 at 9:30 am
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February 28th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
I have to say is this for real? How in the world can anyone say that they hope that poor baby boy would be raised in the same house as heather was. Sorry but the baby is right where he needs to be! I too like wendys know these people on a personal level and I have never liked Heather either. But I would not like any so called mother because I don’t think she deserves the title Mother because that is a gift to be called that! Heather in my opinion should not have ANY rights to this poor child and I can not believe that any court in this world would give her visitation supervised or otherwise. The day that she knew she was pregnant and denied the baby medical care she gave up her rights to him. Yes she left this child for hours and days on end and never gave him a thought how in the hell can anyone ask to not judge her or give her a second chance, she should be locked up and her rights to ever see him should be gone. I have heard some of the harrasement that she has given the Cales family about her visits and if I were any of them I would just say no, if they threw me in jail for witholding her visits oh well, too bad for her because she is a danger to this child and he needs to be protected. I too have children and can not be certain that I would have their backs if they did something like this to a baby, a poor helpless baby. I wish the Cales family the best of luck with him and I wish Heather to spend time in jail where she belongs, I feel for her family having to deal wiht this because they did nothing wrong and I know if I were her parent I would wonder what I did wrong with her….
April 2nd, 2007 at 8:09 am
i know for a fact that heather that speck of a heck was having an affair with a married man in wellington and she thought the baby was his. but it gets worse she had sex with him at a grave yard and thought the baby was consieved there. he! was paying her to keep quite about it! when she realized that it was possiblly not his she called the house and left a mess. with me to tell mark “don’t worry it’s wesleys” that’s all she said. I left this message with dog face wifey
and she never told mark and maek kept paying her
and doing things so heather wouldnt tell! then heather called back and left second message to “please just tell Mark don’t worry it’s not yours” so i made it a point to just tell Mark this message. Well that ugly puke face wife had to start to pay heather and threaten her “that speck you put in that heck of yours better keep that bun in the oven under wraps! or she’s going to be a speck in the grass right where you laid her!”. You ask why well cuz dog face called my employer and told them that I was the one who was screwing Mr. mark c. at the grave yard some time ago!! so to prove them wrong they purposely did this act and got caught! I was there and seen it happen!! and as soon as i prove this! yes DOG FACE JEANNIE! I’m going to take every thing and every penny you ever had and then some PIG!!!AND HOPE AND MISS MARAH who I know know this I dont know how you can sleep at night!! I cant andI’m the innocent one here and YES SCUM bags I told the cops. What’s it’s like you sickoo’s to that when you die you will rot in hell!! mark, jeannie, hope, marrah, ann, renard,
jan, janet, heather, and a few more yah you might have money to throw around but your still casmer SCUM!!!
April 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 am
Oh Yea! Miss Heck Your so religious! Well Guess what! If you read this and I hope You do plus also Mark C. and Dog FACE JEAN! Plus the whole Ck crew of casmer scum! I remember the party at the Tilka”s!!!!! Now that’s a real sick one too!The reason that Mark Liked paying heather for sex is because she is real small like a little girl!! Isnt that right!!!SO is Tilka!!! sick sick sick TEll it Like it is Heather cuz i will!! Pray for you hah your still going to hell along with m.c. and dog puke herself! Like the good book says “THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!!!”"”
April 6th, 2007 at 1:31 am
Christelrose, I’m confused. Are you saying that Heather thought the baby could have belonged to someone named Mark? I know that the DNA test has proven that he is Wesleys child, but in the beginning Heather wasn’t sure if the father was Wesleys or Marks? And this Mark is married to someone named Jean? I’m just very confused by your post and would like to understand what it is that you’re saying. I’m wondering if Wesley knows Mark. Is, or was he also an employee of Wendys?
April 11th, 2007 at 6:28 am
No Mark is not a employee at Wendy’s. But at one time she did work inside the SCUM HUT! That’s what i call it! I also remember Heather visiting that address and picking up a clothes basket from there! Yes I know it seems strange! Also one day she was riding around in a white suv. With a sigh it reading “Baby on board just for you call 911! I was behind her in my car going to this Wellington SCUM HUT!!! I called the police in N.R. and informed them of this I guess she got pulled over and was asked to explain !! YAH Mark i over heard that conversation too! People who talk on these cordless phones have to realize that you can often hear (OR AT LEAST I CAN WHAT EVERTHING IS BEING SAID!! FOOLS). People are wondering why Heather got visitation rights plus her job back at Wendy’s. So lilbit your Wesley’s aunt? Ask Wesley if he remembers the day Heather took him to the Holy Trinity cemetary in avon on Jaycox road. She was telling him about two families that where so rotten to a girl she thought was being treated horribly.And a women named Jeannie that was trying to get her fired AGAIN just like CVS! but quit before they could becuz I ADDEDD that one up too! Well I told the police everything I know! And it must be true! Just by the out come I can tell it is! I dont really know Heather but i do know that she was being forced, plus paid to hide that baby!!! The real scum in this story is Jeannie and Mark , plus a few others! AND THE DAY OF REACKONING IS SOON NEAR!!!!I talked for you Heather now it’s your turn! I lost my job cuz of it then you got yours back!! but that O.K. that C.K. Corral was low on the moral any ways!! Their loss not mine!!
May 1st, 2007 at 1:36 pm
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May 4th, 2007 at 7:32 am
well i also believe that barbie doll sandy k. did your sonogram did Darryle prickkk do your DNA test too! heather!!!
June 30th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
I agree with Mark completely. Christelrose…I can’t understand anything of yours that I read. It’s very run-on.
Heather Heck is a skanky slut and a criminal to boot. She’s a child-abusing dirty whore and frankly, I think the whole town is bonkers. You guys need your own soap opera based in your town.
July 4th, 2007 at 8:33 am
Sorry I was in A hurry when I was typing everything! I live here in town! And know more then most think I do! Also if you know Mark you should’nt be a mom!!!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:40 am
The court website states that Heather’s plea was changed from not guilty to guilty. Does anyone know if or when she will be sentenced. Or is there going to be no consequences?
August 3rd, 2007 at 6:01 am
No Heather didnt make a plea deal with the court and or prosecuter she did with the devil and\or evil Jeanne Casmar!!! There thats the true sick bitch in this plot! isn’t that right “Narah, Hope, Janet, Linda, Eleanor, Sandy, Mark, Renard, and a few others! I bet that when Heather gets out of jail she will be a very RICH$$$$$ women!!! People tell me to stop using this web site cuz I might get sued for posting all the info I know! But you know what. I have nothing left I’m about to lose every thing and I’ve never had nothing! Becuz jealous bitches who are sick conniving SLUT SCANK!!! STOLE it all from me! You what Heather I just Might Be in jail the same time you are!!! I don’t know if you have ever seen me but I’ve seen you. AND YOU BETTER HOPE THAT THEY PUT YOU IN MAX FAC. Plus when you get out of jail (If you do) I will follow you to the bank every time!
August 22nd, 2007 at 12:47 am
Hi Wendys. Yes, Heather changed her plea to guilty and she should be sentenced soon. I’m guessing that she’ll be sentenced within the next couple of weeks, but I don’t know that for fact. Since the pre-sentence report has been filed I think she’ll be sentenced very soon.
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