Letter of the Week: Chris Cross at Pedo Protectors
[CR Note: Author Chris Pimental has been stopping by Crime Rant and leaving some pretty good rants of his own. Check out what he said this week on the subject of protecting creeps like David Brown, aka, Nathaniel Bar-Jonah.]
When I used to work surveillance, there were times I’d see or hear things that were terrible:
domestic disputes, drug dealing, beat-downs, shooting victims walking past my car
, etc., etc., etc.
Those things I had to ignore, for many reasons, including the fact that it was just not my “job” at the time to investigate or mainly due to the fact that it would blow my cover if I did, putting myself in danger. Cold but true.
However, any time I saw a child in danger or heard inside an apartment complex or home that a child was being abused or beaten (and trust me, you hear it, especially in Miami…), I made it a point to get involved in some way (ways upon which I will not expound here)…
The thing about most kids is, no matter what they grow up to be, when they are young and impressionable, I think we all see a sense of innocence, a sense of hope, a sense of wanting that same innocence that is already dead in us to go on living in that child, even if just for a little longer. Innocence is so pure and good, so frail in a cynical world that it deserves to be cuddled and coddled and protected for as long as it can.
When a pedophile or abusive parent attacks that innocence, it brings out the more savage instincts in us all, and I would say rightly so.
I am a Massachusetts native. Massachusetts has gone from liberal to manic in its protection of criminals. I don’t get, don’t get, don’t get why the civil libertarians want to protect the rights of pedophiles. Due process and all that? C’mon. Work the streets like I did and you know what you know… pedophiles CAN NOT treated equally. Why are people who do damage to others afforded the same rights? Because they can be re-hab-ILL-itated? Be serious. Pedophiles just crawl deeper into holes and bring their victims with them. Whether it’s passive pedophilia (Internet Kiddie Porn) or active hunting, the damage to the innocence and to the children is the same.
NO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR PEDOPHILES.
April 17th, 2008 at 10:40 am
I agree with your post. Unfortunately, there are too many idealistic individuals who will always want to believe there is hope for everyone, including pedos. No matter how much you educate them, they will never understand that there is no hope, and no cure for these monsters. EVER.
April 17th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Christopher echoes my sentiments. (albeit in a more ineloquently eloquent way) One time when I lived in NYS I heard a child being awfully abused. I lived in a duplex and the shared laundry room was in the basement. What couldn’t be heard in the upstairs because of a heavy firewall between apts, could be heard loud and clear downstairs. I was so upset that I forgot about the laundry and called CPS and the cops anonymously as I was really afraid of this guy.
Last I heard his wife left him after he “served his time” in the Chemung County jail. 3 months. Sick form of justice.
April 17th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Sophie says:
“Unfortunately, there are too many idealistic individuals who will always want to believe there is hope for everyone, including pedos.”
Somehow I really doubt it’s idealism at all, or anything to do with belief and hope for pedophiles.
I think it’s more about the continuous twisting of our constitution and justice system, combined with complete indifference for the victims of crimes such as these (children).
April 17th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Chris, I agree wholeheartedly.
April 17th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Well said, Chris!
April 17th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Chris, I agree and share your frustration.
April 17th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
State constitutions and state laws are amended and changed all the time. That is what our state Legislatures do. But you won’t find a Legislator with balls enough to introduce a bill that will change the laws to keep pedos out of mainstream society after a first offense.
April 17th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
First, thank you.
Mad repsect for G.O. & M.W.P. and to the cool folks who have contacted me off this site.
I appreciate the forum I was afforded to rant and moan about this topic. I was beaten and abused for many years as a child and someone very dear to me was sexually abused. It is the sickest thing to children and it leaves scars that are so unfathomable that hurt long after the pain.
Anyway, keep voicing your opinions against these peepers and keep the pressure on. What’s that old cliche? The only thing evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Anyway, thanks to the folks who have commented too. Again, Mad Respect to all.
April 17th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
SOPHIE: Props to you. Strong voice and opinion.
CHERILLYN: Very well stated and indeed eloquent. It’s horrible to hear those children being abused.
A: You already know what I’ve seen.
FIZ UK: Back at you. Thanks!
KDUBA: Thank you, writer dudette.
COMPASSROSE: The frustration is horrible because sometimes it seems like no one in the legal community cares.
April 17th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Very good write. I agree with your views wholeheartedly.
April 17th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Three cheers for Chris! I so agree with his rant. Criminals have more rights than normal citizens do, especially pedophiles it seems. What will it take, for people to drop this attitude? Maybe when one of their own kids falls victims to the very pedophiles they are trying to protect?
April 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
There is no excuse for child abuse in any form. I was beaten up regularly as a child, and I live with that and always will.
That said, there is still no reason to treat a child beater any different (in legal terms) than any other criminal.
Everyone seems intent on excluding someone for something from their constitutional rights. The constitution can only work if it applies equally to everyone.
I know that it can be easily argued that the constitution no longer has any meaning because the current regime in Washington has trampled it.
Nevertheless, the US is still a nation of laws and if there can be any justice for anyone, it has to be applied equally.
April 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
Shane we arent talking about the run of the mill beat the crap out of your kid abusers, yes, they deserve what all abusers get.
We are talking about pedophiles. Sick f**k sticks who are attracted to children and controlling them. They have SEX with children.
Wrap your mind around it. I agree with Chris, and think that pedophiles deserve everything they get. Yes, I agree, no equal rights for pedos.
Lilo said it so well in her last blog.
http://www.lostinlimaohio.blogspot.com/
Yep, thats what they want us to think. Pedophiles ARE NOT EQUAL TO ME!
April 17th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
First, let me say that I agree with all your points, Chris. Damn skip’…
In order to rehabilitate pedophiles, it would require a serious effort by society… to build a working time machine.
So far, it hasn’t happened.
There is strong evidence that abuse is cyclical, abused and molested kids are at higher risk of becoming abusers and molesters as adults.
No excuse, or every abused or molested kid would become an abuser or pedophile. And since that’s not true, coddlers can stuff it…
I think the pedophile/abuser coddling comes from this evidence. Unfortunately, understanding the root cause of abuse, even recognizing that it’s a vicious cycle, does NOT negate the fact that abusers are hitting kids, and pedophiles are molesting them.
If anything, this evidence is only MORE reason to increase sentencing for these crimes. You can’t rehabilitate a pedophile’s great-grandfather (again, time machine…)
There are still other factors involved here. We live in a sexually-charged society. Sex sells, and though most Americans can handle the amount of passive sexual charge in our culture, it brings out the worst in others. Especially true when you realize that child pornography is the biggest internet-based business (scary.)
We also have this little problem of locking people up when other approaches would be just as effective (drugs.) For some odd reason, most states put the mandatory minimum sentences on drug-offenses, rather than violent- and or sex-crime.
That’s weird; I guess the average American family is more worried about their kid becoming scarred by ganja herb than by Uncle Herb…
I think perhaps our worst problem is that we see prison as a way to punish offenders, not as a way to isolate them from the community.
Child abuse, especially molestation, is like murder. It should be treated in the courts as such.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:02 pm
If we aren’t going to put them to death, are we just going to keep them locked up til they die? Obviously “therapy” isn’t working. If the only thing that happens to criminals is they get locked up and have a bed to sleep in and food to eat, it’s not much of a deterrent. I understand the concept of different punishments for different crimes ie. stealing candy does not necessarily warrant the death penalty, but when they start treating child molestation/abuse/murder the same as stealing candy, that’s a problem. 3 months for beating a kid? Come on . . .
When “they” stop seeing pedophiles as having an “illness” and start seeing them as the monsters they are, then we will see some changes in the punishments given to them for their crimes.
I mean, it’s not like they counsel wolves when they attack livestock . . . they go out and shoot them. They don’t give therapy to rabid dogs . . . they put them down. When circus elephants rampage through city streets after they have just had ENOUGH, we don’t sit them down and talk to them to get to the root of their anger . . . they are shot. People even go so far as to try to hunt down a shark that has attacked some person playing in the water. When they think they have found that ONE shark in ALL of the ocean, they kill it. Those are just animals working on animal instinct. But when it comes to irreparably twisted and broken humans that lay in wait and maliciously plan their attacks on defenseless children, suddenly everyone turns squeamish about doing what needs to be done.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Hell, yeah. The train wreck crew in the house. Respect to you guys for dropping by!
April 17th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
quote:“There are still other factors involved here. We live in a sexually-charged society. Sex sells,…”
The Pope apologized for pedophile priests and then with the same breath he blamed American society for being sexually overcharged.
How does advertising with sexy themes or scantily clad adult actors cause somebody to be sexually attracted to children? How does T.V. and billboards and magazines create pedophiles? The answer is, it doesn’t. So stop blaming society for pedophiles.
We live in a free society. In fact, it’s one of the worlds most free. If you think that free society is what causes pedophiles or criminals, do some research on how they do things in China. Maybe the advertising in Saudi Arabia might be more suitable. In the same direction is Taliban burkas for all women, and beatings for any who talk to an unrelated male.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Yes, Liam, child molestation is as bad as murder and should be treated as such. F the rehabilitation/couneling/therapy programs for sex offenders which is a total joke anyway since there is no cure for pedophilia. I agree with Chris’ post. Pedos get too many rights and too much freedom to molest time and again. That is what is terribly wrong. It’s costing our children their innocence and safety and in some cases, their lives.
Pedos need to be stopped the FIRST time they are caught and slapped with LWOP the FIRST time around. That way, they don’t have multiple opportunities to re-offend time and time again.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Excellent comments, Chris! This thread brings to mind a local case a few yrs. back in which a 15 yr. old girl was kidnapped, raped, murdered, (and actually decapitated) by a sexual predator/pedophile who had been out of prison for rape for about 18 mos. or so. He was living with his parents in the neighborhood where the girl lived. (I thought of this while reading Lilo’s blog, Melissa…)It is just too typical of cases like this when the sleazeballs are let out to re-offend, often with far-worse consequences and escalating violence. The victim’s parents and friends tried to get a law passed requiring sexual predators to have a license plate designating them as such, but of course, it hasn’t passed…too “discriminatory”.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Lisa in OK says: “When “they” stop seeing pedophiles as having an “illness” and start seeing them as the monsters they are, then we will see some changes in the punishments given to them for their crimes”
AMEN to that! That, I believe, is why treatment/therapy/counseling does not work for pedos because they don’t have an illness but rather an evil. Pedos make a conscious choice to prey on innocent children and victimize them. They can chose not to molest IF they really wanted to. They are not driven by any illness rather they are evil beings who chose to molest children. It is a sexual preference.
Child molestation isn’t an illness anymore than murder, robbery, or drug dealing.
April 17th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Mike, just wanted you to know I took exception to that remark as well. In fact in made me laugh.
Sexually charged society? Please. Is there a high rate of child rate of pedophellia in RIO, where OMG, women can walk down the beach without a TOP. There is porn, and there is porn. Playboy isnt porn IMO, its just naked people. And if y’all dont know what a naked person looks like then you are messed up. We are sexually REPRESSED if anything.
It has nothing at all to do with the sick thoughts of a pedophile.
Want proof? Look at the way 500 people living in seclusion right now in Eldorado TX dress. Sexualized indeed.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
TO Mike Schuler: Man, Mike. I am going to check the alignment of the planets, brother, ‘cuz you are kicking some teeth and we agree on many things where this is concerned.
GAM: Thanks. I agree. Nothing is so agonizing as some liberal judge who lets pedophiles walk with a wink and a nod. I JUST DON’T GET IT. Are judges and the libby-lib-libs so far removed from reality, from the real world, that they just don’t get that putting a pedophile out there with a slap in the wrist is like sending the lion out to herd cattle?
TINA: I could not AGREE with you MORE. THEY NEED TO BE STOPPED. THAT IS PRIORITY ONE. Civil rights not withstanding, the deal is, you get to have YOUR civil rights if you ain’t tearing my kids heart out. Let’s look at it this way: One pedophile loses his or her civil rights. OK. ONE. Now, take that one kiddie-raper-killer-diddler and count how many children are molested, affected, secually destroyed and emotionally wrecked because of him or her. Let’s say an average pedophile (I am making numbers up here, so feel free to correct me) violates 5 kids. That’s a FIVE to ONE ratio. SO 5 kids are ut in the position to have their life’s destroyed in order to defend a pedophile’s civil rights? There has to be a law that draws that line in the sand. KIDS are INNOCENCE personified.
Gregg said it in his original POST and I agree with LISA. THERE IS NO CURE FOR PEDOPHILIA. Once the judges realize that, once the state and US senate realizes that, we can get these scum bags off the streets. I’ll sacrifice tax money to keep them alive and miserable in jail than to have one living next door.
Dont forget everyone: http://www.familywatchdog.us
April 17th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Tina, I take exception to that as well. Pedophiles are indeed sick, and are different then ALL of us.
You can rehab MOST of what you mentioned EXCEPT for the pedophile. Sure, sometimes the murderer is a sick spree killer, sure there are compulsive liars, and for God’s sake? Drug dealing? Unlesss you are a drug kingpin operatiing out of different countries its a way of getting food on the table for the most unfortunate of our society.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Yah know Chris. I totally agree with your rant, but I think you have to realize that its not the judges, its the lawmakeers. Judges have to uphold the law. Senate and the House MAKE the laws. There may be liberal judges sure, but if there werent liberal law (and I assume and hoping I am not making an ass of myself) that you are using liberal as an insult.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I stand corrected, Melissa. I mentioned the senates, but stressed the judges. But you are right, it’s a “global” problem as far as the system is concerned.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
We do live in a society where sex sells (I should know since that is my genre of writing) and it is everywhere. But look in any country, you will see it there, too. The difference is that sex in the U.S. is “regulated” and that adds the stigma of it being “bad”. If you treat it as a normal, ADULT activity, then Pedos are more likely to be treated as the monsters they really are and not thought that they can be “helped”. I don’t think they can be. Mentally, they have stopped maturing and will always think the way they do.
Realistically, there is a huge difference between a grown man fantasizing that his ADULT girlfriend or wife is a naughty school girl to that of a grown man really wanting to have sex with a young child who is minding his or her own business.
Personally, I think that Pedos should have severe penalties… Since most are men, chop it off and make him useless AND harmless… all he can do is think while he is in jail. No tool to fantasize with anymore… What can be more brutal but useful than that to them?
Same goes for rapists, too…
April 17th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
And you are right as well. No equal rights for pedo’s. They arent equal, they are dangerous.
WAY dangerous for them to be let out on society.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
I must not over post…………….
Damnit lol. Cutting it off doesnt work for sexual offenders, it isnt about sex. This is really and truly true. They would use something ELSE to rape with. Its not about sex with the ones who use it for control.
This is true for rapists of children AND adults.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
In fact, Raven, I would be willing to bet there are societies where the old “chop-chop-chicken” penalty is accepted. I thought of that while writing my initial ranty comment.
However, as much as I agree with the penalty, I wonder about if the castrated freak boy would come out of jail and (since we all seem to agree that pedophilia has no cure) wouldn’t he still fantasize about children and actively persue them… and to what end? Would he take his frustration out on the kids?
I have read that one losing one’s Jenny’ll Tail’ya is so psychologically damaging that I’d be concerned about the pedo-eunich taking it out on children. But I am just speculating. This is such a frustrating issue.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Melissa, that was my fear too. As I said to Raven, I like the idea, heck even agree with it, but once they get out of jail, look out…
Remember this too: Once a child is molested, very few, if any, get out un-damaged. There is so much hidden beneath the surface level that ruins a human being after they have been victimized by this… My initial forays into writing concerned a series I made called the Tra** Wreck ***** (I starred out the title so as not to self-pimp). Some people are like train wrecks, pedophiles especially, rolling wrecks that storm through innocent lives and leave carnage in their wake…and the damage they cause, not much unlike a train wreck, is indeilible and unforgettable . SO, the child they shatter is more likely to become a “future train wreck”because of the damage, one who just might be abusive, suicidal, etc., etc.
WE NEED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENCE OF KIDS IN SOME WAY. I don’t have the answers, which is what pisses me off.
April 17th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Read my blog on MySpace. Women are big time offenders too. How do you chop chop THAT? Granted they are only 25%, but its still huge. Christopher Barrios still haunts me.
I am SO not a feminist. The blame goes all around with this heinous crime of raping children of their lives. Their little bodies, their minds.
And it pisses me off too. Lock them up. FOREVER.
Hell, we arent apparently going to get the first strike that Mike is for. What the hell is WRONG with people that the 2nd strike isnt working either?
April 17th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
Melissa, I know that women are just as guilty of these types of crimes and the frustration is not knowing what to do to STOP it, regardless of it being a man or a woman.
You’re right, Chris… it may be a temporary measure and would make ME feel good that his “Jenny’ll Tail’ya” was whacked but what do we do?
I think as a society, we try to protect our kids but somehow, someway, they find another way to get to them… scary to be living in our world today…
April 18th, 2008 at 12:28 am
I’m with you! These people are sick! They don’t deserve equal OR human rights! Have you seen the Dateline specials called To Catch A Predator? Those sickos come calling to hook up with kids, claiming they’re sorry and they’ll never do it again. Or they’ll flat out claim it’s their first time and they only wanted to talk…never mind the bag of condoms and six pack of beer they’re lugging into the house! One guy even apologized profusely and was caught doing the same thing the very next day!
No! They gave up those rights when they abandoned all humanity!
April 18th, 2008 at 5:16 am
I bet most cases involving the sexual abuse of children never go before a jury. Most are settled with a plea bargain and there lies the rub. If more of these cases went before a jury, the outcome would find much more serious sentences for the offender. I believe in the Constitution and the right to a fair trial and all these plea deals circumvent justice and allow too many of these pedophiles to avoid justice.
Texas implemented the super aggravated sexual assault penal code this year. If a child is under six or a child is under 14 and threats, violence, physical harm, or a weapon was used or shown, the minimum sentence is 25 years with no parole or early release. A second offense will warrant a life sentence or death. Even so, most cases will be resolved with a plea deal — to “spare” the child and, equally important, the taxpayers money. And since most abuse involves family or friends, we send the child victim back home with the offender.
I listened to a panel of pedophiles tell their stories. There were three men and one woman. Only one seemed to take true responsibility for his actions. The rest dwelled on their history, their loss, their pain, and were pretty quick to blame people around them for not stopping them from abusing a child. All of them did serve jail time, none would have qualified as “super” offenders, and I think all could be a risk to a child in some form if they were allowed to slip unknown back into society. Even so, I am not for public disclosure of sex offenders, but I do think they need lifetime therapy and should have to report to a therapist, counselor, or the police once a week for the rest of their lives, and if they don’t show — lock them up. And we need to seriously keep track of these people. How many slip away and we only discover they are gone when they reoffend against another child. Case in point — Joseph Duncan, the worse of the worst example of how many ways the system can and does fail.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Well, here I am, stalking this thread again. compassrose, you bring in some very thought provoking points… including the plea “bargain”. It is a bargain for the “offenders” (as you can see, I am a bit more mellow so early in the morning.) It seems that Texas (ah, good ol’ Texas, still doing it right) has set a fine example, one that should be followed by other states (YOU HERE THAT MASSACHUSETTS?!! VERMONT?!! ETC?) Now all we have to do is make sure the prosecutors stop giving the option of a plea deal and really put the juice to the wheels of justice.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:41 am
As a mother I know that my kids are growing up exposed to so much more than we ever were as kids. They know more at a younger age, especially since 9/11. It’s sad, but a fact of life. There is only so much you can do to limit the exposure to world events, better to sit down and talk openly with them about what is going on.
Since kids today are already faced with things that no child should have to worry about it infuriates me that pedos so often are let out with a slap on the wrist and claim to be ‘rehabilitated’ I bet if the judge sentencing knew the pedo was going to be released in 3 months and reside in their neighborhood, blocks away from THEIR children or grandchildren, you’d have more appropriate sentences. Though personally, I don’t know that there is an appropriate sentence in this country. I have the same concerns about castration as you Chris. It would seem the appeal of children would still be there, they just wouldn’t be able to sexually act on it. So then what? Maybe they start torturing kids. Who knows. Life w/out parole isn’t much better. The judges who read the sentencing should be forced to turn to the victims and the parents and say, “We hereby find this son-of-a-bitch guilty. We sentence him to life in prison, complete with 3 square meals a day, the use of weightlifting and fitness equipment, the ability to play sports,watch TV, make unmonitored phone calls,have use of musical instruments, perhaps even receive training in martial arts. There’s a good chance he’ll serve less than half his time. Oh, and as a taxpayer, you get to help pay for it.’
April 18th, 2008 at 7:46 am
007,
I agree, the judges should have to say that to the victim. Then the judge should have to provide room and board, for oh, how about a month, to the perpetrator when they are released from jail.
Of course, we could put them to death and harvest their organs so they would FINALLY be a benefit to society . . .
April 18th, 2008 at 10:12 am
*siiiigh’ssss!* ‘..i would kill to avenge my children, my childrens children & so forth..’ ponder that thought a moment.. maybe it isn’t a thought, more a feeling because that is what we’d like to do and not before long people will take revenge if the law is not changed to suit ‘our’ victims. so…
this is a topic that drags the ‘blue’ language out of me.. the ‘killer’ instinct rises, it bubbles & boils, kicking & screaming… all sex offenders in my eyes should be castrated, sterilised..call it what you want. maybe put them in a stock on public view and flogged. draconian? maybe. but what price is a life? an innocent life is priceless and with this in view i believe an eye for an eye should be the way. it is after all what is stated in the bible, somewhere?
every time i read, watch or hear news of children being abused or killed for the pleasure of ‘adults?’ places a heavy burnden upon my heart.. i cried for holly & jessica and still think about those two girls taken by huntley…
the moors murders which occurred on saddleworth moor still makes me feel sick.
please consider this person.. keith bennett.. pause for a moment.. remember his name.. check out the web page i’ve listed below..
http://www.bernardomahoney.com/keithbennett/main.shtml
he is still buried on saddleworth moor.. his killers would not state his whereabouts and to this day he is still there, probably forever, considering hindley is dead & brady’s mind has completely gone. brady resides at broadmoor prison along with huntley (holly & jessica’s killer.)
my stance is this.. certain crimes deserve the death penalty at the very least but here, in the uk, it will never happen. yet life should mean life.. certain prisoners shouldn’t be allowed access to education, playstations, t.v.’s etc.. they should get three basic square meals a day & hard labour, at the very most. the law is an ass!
finally.. i ask all of you this question.. would a human rights believer accept the so-called punishments given, if that perp committed an offence towards their own flesh & blood? i ponder… i weep… i pray my children will always, always be safe from harm.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:08 am
i forgot to mention…. why do women get sentences that are more severe than men, when they commit crimes against children?
because it is deemed less acceptable that a woman would hurt a child (mother’s do not commit these crimes, surely not! not mother!) and it is more acceptable for a man to do so..
when a woman commits a crime against a child it is considered to be a crime against femininity as well as the actual offence.. hence a harder sentence.. f**king ludicrous! murder is murder! abuse is abuse! sex crimes are sex crimes! regardless of gender. the law is an age-old ass! always has been and always will be.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Huh, in sexual abuse cases women always seem to get lighter sentences.
What are you talking about?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Wow, great comments since I last stalked the thread this morning. Lots of anger out there for this issue. WHat an interesting point though: the acceptability of men vs. women pedophiles.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
melissa.. with respect.
generally, women who commit a ‘crime’ against children get harsher sentences than men.. note: ‘crime’. not specific to child abuse.. ok, maybe that means i went off topic slightly.
if you research cases, you will find that a higher percentage of women get harsher sentences than men in this regard.. but then again i live in the uk, so maybe it is different in america (i am assuming you live in america). my point being that the variations in sentencing need to be addressed.
this is a diversity issue, ie. as with black offenders, who often receive harsher sentences.
in regard to women, two identical crimes could be committed, one perpetrated by a man, the other a woman, yet it is highly likely that the woman would receive a harsher sentence, because not only has she committed a crime within the eyes of the law, the justice system percieves a ‘double deviance’ – the crime against femininity. this is what most research into criminal justice suggests.
obviously, there are always exceptions to the rule.
by the way, my wife is a probation officer who is specialised in mentally disordered offenders & has a degree in criminal justice. the majority of my wife’s case load are sex offenders with whom she deals with daily.
April 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Due to the amount of responses to my comment, I’d like to clarify a bit…
I do not think, for a moment, that a sexually charged society causes pedophilia. It may or may not be an amplifier; that was the point I was trying to make. In fact, I don’t know what causes it. In fact, no one knows (except, maybe, pedophiles themselves).
I’ve seen a lot of you say that it’s “evil” before recommending whatever punishment you could imagine for such “evil”.
I’m putting that in quotes for a reason. In the 1300’s, smallpox was considered “evil”, a curse by God. Of course, back then they still bled people as a primary means to treat just about everything.
As a result, we had religious inquisitions for witchcraft, and yet 25 million Europeans still died.
Then came the modern age of medicine, turning smallpox from an “evil” into a “virus” — Needless to say, smallpox was all but eradicated by the late 70s through a vigorous global program of vaccination.
…evil still exists.
I am no fan of pedophiles, nor am I a coddler. So if you want my sadistic “wish-list”, here it is;
Round them all up, hang them by their toes so that their heads are mere inches from the ground, cut off their genitalia, cauterize the wound before stuffing them in their mouths and letting them slowly asphyxiate.
Top that.
However, if faced between seeing millions of pedophiles swinging from all the trees in the continental United States, or seeing the cure for pedophilia in just one little vial, I’ll choose the vial.
Why? Because we haven’t proven that my above method will be effective in ridding the world of pedophiles. Plus, corporeal- and capital punishment don’t have a proven deterrant track-record.
And if killing them all isn’t the answer, then millions more will simply replace them. I don’t want to see another kid molested. So let’s try to figure out what causes it,
Or develop an anti-evil pill.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Well Liam, until we find the vial that will work, I say lets lock them up the first time. Hell, I would settle for the second time once they HAVE proven they are going to do it again, even though that means another victim. This revolving door shit is ridiculous. Drug users get more time than child molesters, that is sickening.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
Damn, Liam. You drink some coffee or what brother. Hanging them upside down? Cuaterizing the wound. Lord, man. I like it.
I truly like the support this thread has received. I would imagine that the predominant feeling of NO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR PEDOPHILES is quite popular in society. The question is: how do we turn that into something real?
April 18th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
BINGO, Melissa. Right on with your statement. You know what happens to most pedophiles in REAL jails. Send them there and let them ride the fish train.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
No second chances for pedos! Lock em up for life the FIRST time around. I agree with the statement NO EQUAL RIGHTS FOR PEDOPHILES!
Pedos should get the mandatory minimums rather than the drug dealers and addicts.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Melissa, I totally agree with you. They should be locked up the first time, and this revolving-door bullshit has to go. That was one of the main parts of my first comment. Everyone bugged out because I said ’sex sells’….
And as far as ‘Protective Custody’… ridiculous. General population, come what may. There’s consequences for the kids they scar, let them be scarred.
…and as far as the vial, I’m probably wrong there.. It’ll probably be like a needle they jam into their brains and burn out the neurons that make them act like that.. What ever happened to the good old days of lobotomy???
April 18th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
No that was me. I didnt bug out. Sex definitely sells, and always will. I made the point. Point in case is that our country is actually sexually repressed. Breasts and a naked body is considered dirty.
SEX is not about rape however. Playboy and magazines are not about rape.
Especially on THIS particular subject, CHILD rape.
Anyone who doesnt cringe at the thought of a ten year old having sex has something wrong with them IMO.
BTW, Lobotomy has totally been my choice besides lifetime incarceration. But there have been cases where the pervs with lobotomy rape as well.
April 19th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
Melissa, I cringe, I cringe!
That is a scary thought! You’d think that with a lobotomy, they would not know what the hell they are doing but WOW!
BTW… what is your myspace link? I would love to read your blogs!
April 21st, 2008 at 1:57 am
I don’t know what the answer is to this problem but I do know we need to protect the children above all else….if we don’t protect their purity who will in this day and time…We have to keep our eyes and ears open as far as children are concerned….if we have even an inkling that something is wrong all we have to do is make one phone call and it will be investigated….and if that doesn’t stop it keep making that call over and over until they find what is wrong.Be intune with children…it is not hard to see when something is not right with a child….not hard at all….just make that call and keep your eyes and ears open for any child you come in contact with…if something doesn’t seem right it probably isn’t…so don’t hesitate to get involved enough to make a simple phone call to Child Social Services….As for the pedofile….what in the world do they do with them except lock them up and throw the key away…but we know they aren’t doing that…something is so wrong with a world that protects the pedofile and lets them out to do it over and over again to little pure children.I say surely there is an answer to this delima…out there somewhere and we have to find it…we just have to…I think of my three precious little great grand daughters and I think of my being molested at the very age they are now and it scares me to death for their safety and well being in a world like this….no body protected me…and I know someone seen something sometime that made them wonder….but they didn’t want to get involved…so I was molested for 10 yrs or more….People I know someone saw something in that 10 yrs. and no one did anything….I was 3 yrs. old…can you even imagine it???? it happens and we are the only ones who can change things….we have to get involved for the childrens sake….we just have to. Barbara
April 21st, 2008 at 6:00 am
Barbara:
An excellent post. Great advice too. So simple. If something seems like it’s not right, then it’s not… and as adults, we can act on their behalves. I am so thrilled you dropped by here, Barbara. You know how much I admire and respect you. In this case, your words come from a painful legacy of credibility, one that could have been lessened if someone had done something.
April 21st, 2008 at 10:09 am
barbara, i reiterate chris’ comment.
you have hit the nail on the head.. it is simple.. the signs are obvious with children when something is not right. we have a duty of care towards ALL children, whoever they belong to.