Letter of the Week: Mind Your Own Business
[CR Note: Last night, NBC's Law & Order SVU did another riff on the teacher and student love affair/rape story...and by doing so made this comment by a reader on our post about Debra LaFave and Mary Kay Letourneau earlier this week seem even more timely.]
I heard about this story a few years back, but this morning I was looking at the movie and it really caught my interest. First of all I think it was indeed wrong of Mary Kay to even begin to do such a thing, but later into the movie it all adds up. I don’t care what you all see it as or what most think of this, i certainly don’t see it as rape. Villi was not hurt and he did not felt like a victim. Everything was consented and most of all, there was so much love. It’s like they understood each other. And just like she said, he was more of a man than men that are twice his age. I’m a 26 year old female and most men that i’ve dated are completely immature. I sometimes wonder if i’ll ever find a guy that I can love and love me in return without having to wonder what will happen next. Villi was there for her when she needed someone to comfort her and support her, not the husband. The husband was a complete idiot as far i as see it. Maybe it was things like that Mary Kay loved about villi so much, it was not even the sex, it was more of understanding each other. She served her time, had two beautiful kids and It still did not stop their love for each other after all they’ve been through. Now I think that’s special. Everyone needs to leave them alone and live their own lives. Do not judge other unless you know or have walked in their shoes. Mind your own business and do what’s right for yourself and your family not others. For all the people that is acting up over this, You all need to get a life, seems like you ain’t got nothing more to focus on but other people private life.
October 14th, 2007 at 10:22 am
It all adds up? Excuse me while I vomit.
A predator is a predator is a predator.
It’s so sick, and no matter how many times we re-hash this subject, the bottom line is that they are scum. I don’t care how beautiful, sexy, or whatever else they are. They are only ONE thing in my mind.
It may be alright with YOU to have your 11 or 12 yr old son raped by a woman teacher…. I wonder if you’d feel the same way if the teacher were a man? Would that feel all warm and cozy to you too?
Makes no difference. They’re all predators, they are all a quart on their dipstick, and they all belong in JAIL.
IMHO. I don’t care to be attacked for my opinion. Disagree all you want. Just do it in a respectful manner. Thank you.
October 14th, 2007 at 10:23 am
that was quart LOW on their dipstick.
October 14th, 2007 at 10:34 am
So a movie speaks absolute truth with no bias?
The bottom line is, there has to be an age of consent, because of the developmental stages people go through. An eleven-year-old boy is not emotionally mature enough to make decisions about having sex. Whether or not the teacher’s husband was an idiot is irrelevant – teachers are expected to maintain a code of conduct. That is precisely why this story is still discussed. If it was an older, married taxi driver who got involved with some kid in the neighborhood, it would still be wrong but it wouldn’t be quite as interesting to the public because the core of the story is the abuse of power. As someone who’s worked in education I’m keenly aware of the bonds students can forge with their teachers. Children often spend more waking hours in daycare or school than they do at home with their own families. As a result, they can sometimes feel a stronger bond to those people, and particularly during adolescence, those feelings can be confused, along with hormonal urges and make it hard for the kids to sort out their real feelings. Any honest person who remembers the angst of their teenage years knows how easy it is to make wrong decisions, how impulsive teenagers are, and how impressionable. (Rebellion is all about trying to prove they’re not, but they are.)
And that’s what everyone fears. Someone in a position of authority who is willing to cross those lines. If it had been reversed, if the kid had been a girl and the teacher a man, I doubt we’d even be having this conversation (or like FS said, if the teacher had been a man and the student a boy) because nobody would defend that.
Frankly Scarlett, I’m with you.
October 14th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Pardon me while vomit. Mary Kay and Villi both are in serious need for HELP!!!!!!!
October 14th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Just because the child victim is willing, doesn’t make it right. You could talk a kid into drinking anti-freeze. Is it okay because the kid was willing? You could talk a kid into signing a loan contract with a 45% interest rate. Does that make it right because the kid agreed, or is it wrong because the kid is not old enough to know what’s really going on?
Someday that kid is going to figure out just how badly he was ripped off. If it had been a male teacher, he would have never gotten out of prison to marry his victim.
It makes me sick every time I see a pedophile or their supporters saying “everything was consented.” He “wasn’t hurt and didn’t feel like a victim” you say? Right after they swallow the anti-freeze they’re not hurt and don’t feel like a victim either. Anti-freeze tastes yummy and it has a pretty color. Supporting pedophilia makes as much sense.
October 14th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
“Do not judge other unless you know or have walked in their shoes. Mind your own business and do what’s right for yourself and your family not others.”
Debra, I seriously think you sound very very similar to the pedophiles I keep watch on, would you happen to be a member of BL by the way? That speech would have brought tears to the pedphiles eyes, so damned touching.
I will always judge these sick disgusting perverted cretants, and thank GOD will NEVER walk in their shoes. Age of consent is put into place for very real reasons, children are emotionally, and in fact physically, unready for sexual experiences and adult relationships. Think about this… why do you think people don’t stop growing until their teens, and boys sometimes until 16 or later? This is for a reason, whether pedophiles out there want to believe it or not.
Reading your comments really do make me wonder what secret thoughts you have, and if that’s the case, you need to see a physchiatrist right away.
I won’t ever mind my own business. If I find out that a child is being molested, I will call authorities immediately, and guess what? I won’t even call anonymously, I will be sure the pervert knows who made the call. It’s people that think like you do that make this an unsafe world for our children to live in.
Let me add this one last comment, and I’ll stop my rave. If some adult ever laid a hand on my 10 year old boy, I would hunt them down and kill them.
October 14th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
“Seems like you ain’t got nothing more to focus on but other people’s private lives.”
Let me make this clear:it IS my business,as a criminologist and a true crime journalist when a PREDITOR,a CHILD MOLESTOR and a CONVICTED FELON [Mary Kay] is involved with a young person who had no moral ground on which to stand to resist the advances of this woman.
Private lives are one thing. Bitch slapping the justice system by whining in court and then turning right around and doing it again is another.Don’t tell me what is and isn’t my business. You obviously have the IQ of a sewer rat and the morals of one as well.
October 14th, 2007 at 1:31 pm
Whoa, hold your horse! There is no such thing as consensual sex between an ELEVEN year old and an adult — no matter what their gender. And heck yeah, I can judge because it is against the law. And you take the word of a pedophile about their victim’s emotional maturity??!! If Mary Kay was so in love with Villi, she could have waited until he was old enough to consent instead luring him into their perverted relationship. Villi was a father before he had time to even grow up himself. When will people stop romanticizing this sick woman and her perverted excessively selfish behaviors. Ick!!!!!
annarocket I defer to your sentiments exactly!!!
May I just add how evil and sick it is that Mary Kay has managed to milk this crime for all the money she can make. Why work when you can make a living off raping a child and selling your story to the tabloids. Thanks to movies and interviews, people, like this writer, feel having sex with underage children is just fine. God save our children from fools such as this.
October 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
> it was not even the sex, it was more of understanding each other.
October 14th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Which is why they were caught HAVING SEX in a car right after she got out . . .
On February 3, 1998, Seattle police officers who were on a routine neighborhood patrol pulled up along a gray Volkswagen Fox sedan. The windows were steamed up and two people appeared to be having sex. Officers ordered the people inside to open the doors. The police instantly recognized Mary Kay Letourneau. She was arrested for violating parole. Vili Fualaau, then a high school freshman, was in the vehicle with her.
http://tinyurl.com/2d78tm
The author of the letter is obviously mentally deficient. When people start talking about “all they have been through” it’s a pretty good bet that the problems were brought on by the actions of the people in question.
October 14th, 2007 at 3:29 pm
“And just like she said, he was more of a man than men that are twice his age.”
No, he wasn’t. That is the whole point. You faily to grasp that MKL’s perspective is seriously skewed and immature itself, so she hardly has the soundest judgment.
It’s a sad day when anyone judges a criminal and her victim-and he was a victim-on the basis of a made for television movie. Your perspective is as skewed as Mary Kay’s.
October 14th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Obviously this child saw the Lifetime movie recently (as I did too) which was totally skewed towards Mary Kay being the victim of a child going after her.
MKL is a nutter.
October 14th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Very good point Compassrose…. Mary Kay has been scheming, scamming, and making money off this debacle since the whole thing blew up.
“OH, we’re SOOOOOOOO in love… we are soul mates…. we were meant to be together……” PUKE, PUKE.
I think the thing that KILLS ME the most, is her OTHER children, the ones she had with her first husband. HOW DARE SHE, HOW COULD SHE. Can you imagine what those kids (now probably adults) have been through? HOW SELFISH can she be.
And let’s not forget the poor kids she has now with Villi. They were doomed from the day they were conceived with that twit for a mother.
She is a HORRIBLE mother, besides being a pedophile. And a HORRIBLE teacher. I’m sure all of her other students suffered, were denied her attention and help, while she was in the closet doing Villi.
She thought only of HERSELF. She threw away her husband and her children to pursue Villi. Just threw them to the wind so she could sexually satisfy herself ( !!!!!!!) with an eleven year old boy. Isn’t that just so smart, isn’t that just so brilliant, isn’t that just so….. SICK!!!!! Shame, shame, shame, shame on her and all those like her.
October 14th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
If Villi was such a ‘man,’ why is it that his mommy had to raise and financially support the two children he had with MK until after she was out of prison? Gimme a break.
October 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
I totally agree. They should be left alone. I can only imagine that the majority of people still trying to pubicly crucify her have been unfortunate enough never to experience true love or sacrifice in their lives.
October 14th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Sharon – I have experienced true love – and it sure wasn’t with A CHILD.
October 14th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
Now we have two pedophile supporters, Michelle and Sharon commenting here. When an adult has sexual intercourse with an 11 year old in the state of Washington, it’s called Rape of a Child in the First Degree. There’s no “true love” about it, and getting a very short prison term even after being caught a second time is not a “sacrafice.”
It’s not “true love,” it’s “FALSE LOVE,” and it’s a class “A” felony and her sentence should have been enhanced because she was the child’s teacher and in a position of authority over the kid.
Michelle and Sharon, take your pedophile crap back to the butterfly-pervert boards where you obviously came from.
October 14th, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Sharon, why do you think Mary Kay is the only one that has found true love — becuase this relationship was illicit or because she was willing to screw up everyone’s lives to have sex with a child. As for leaving her alone, she doesn’t want to be left alone, otherwise she wouldn’t be hawking her story to anyone willing to pay money. I despise this Mary Kay, and I found and still have true love, and I didn’t sacrifice anyone else’s well being in the process.
Is that what makes this so romantic — the fact she didn’t care who was hurt as long as she had her way? Please, buy a romance novel.
October 14th, 2007 at 6:59 pm
I was off from work this week, so I finally dove into “If Loving You Is Wrong”. I think I was avoiding it because (1) My son is the same age now as Vili was when she first began having sex with him and (2) My copy was given to my by someone and it’s in horrible shape :-p
I’m really glad I read the book. I only knew of ‘teacher seducing student’, and repeat offenses. I never realized how immature, delusional and needy she is. That she found everything she needed in a little boy is still beyond the stretch of my imagination. I look at my little guy shooting nerf bullets all over the house, laughing hysterically at the whoopie cushion noise, or asking me to help him pronounce a word from his text book and I wonder, why why why would someone want to go there in that way? I get that Vili probably grew up a lot more independent then most kids due to his family situation, but mature? Doesn’t even matter if that was the case. 11 is 11 !!!
October 14th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
Here’s what I am thinking. When he gets into his mid twenties and she is heading into her late thirties, early forties, is it still going to be love? I think he is going to be looking at the wrinkles and laugh lines and starting to flab body then start looking around at the babes his own age and realize he was suckered. AND he was suckered. An eleven year old usually hasn’t even begun to hit puberty yet. They don’t know nothing from nothing about love or sex or raising children. I have an eleven year old and when his friends come to visit we have eleven year old conversations. If this woman is comfortable in the constant company of an eleven year old (now in his teens) she is mentally deficient anyway. The other scenario is he will not be young enough for her any longer and she will look around for another little boy to rape and screw with his mind. Male or female, anyone who thinks that they are doing a child a favor by introducing them to sex at eleven is a rapist and pedophile. The law says so and so does the majority of society. For good reason, I believe.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
I guess at this point, I refuse to do a battle of the wits with an unarmed person. Sharon and Debra are either a. the same person, or b. pedophile supporters. I think Gregg and Matt knew this would be a heated discussion, and as we say here in the South, God love em!
– meaning Matt and Gregg of course.
It’s always good to realize there are these inane inbred childlovers/childlove supporters out there, and I think this chat has brought this to the forefront of our minds. You never know, it could be your next door neighbor that feels the same as these demented simpletons, lets make sure we stay aware.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:08 pm
JrCyChris,
We thought and wrote the same things. LOL. I think you made a better point with the nerf bullets and whoopie cushion noises. That is pretty much the extent of the conversations that I have with my son and his friends too. I couldn’t imagine a lifetime of that lapse in adult conversation. Once she had sex with him at eleven and messed with his mind relationship wise that is real close to the age he will stay mentally for a long time until he gets help.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:10 pm
KimPossible,
LMAO unarmed!!
October 14th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
Hey KimPossible,
What’s that website again? Pervwatch or whatever it was? Thanks in advance
October 14th, 2007 at 7:14 pm
JrZ and TXMichelle, I totally am right there with your thoughts. I’ve thought the same exact things. My son – who’s 10 – has an 11 year old best friend. A very mature kid for his age, he’s the oldest of 3 kids and has been sitting for his brother and sister for a few years now, and his mom is a very intelligent educated woman, actually a 5th grade teacher. So… would I ever find this kid attractive? OMG, the thought repels me. He’s a CHILD. Very mature, but still a child that loves to giggle and talk silly and be goofy with my son.
And TXMichelle, without looking it up, but I believe at least one of her children is the same age or very close to Villi. It’s all so gross to me, and to think that people can watch the movie and think it’s all alright, just makes me ill. And I’ve thought quite often about how in a few years, if not sooner, Villi will be ready to venture out and meet someone his own age. This kid lost the best years of his life because of this woman, and his mother allowed it. Disgusting.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
I know TxMichelle, I think we were posting at the same time!!
Excellent statement:
Male or female, anyone who thinks that they are doing a child a favor by introducing them to sex at eleven is a rapist and pedophile. The law says so and so does the majority of society. For good reason, I believe.
Made me think of Eli Stutzman, had his young son walking around a party grabbing men. His own child. Disgusting.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
ha, okay, I didn’t see your ‘disgusting’ before I posted mine.
Yes, I think her oldest son Steve is Vili’s age or within a year of him. She brought him along as a cover from time to time, so this poor kid was well aware of what mommy was up to.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:19 pm
Ha! We’re all typing and submitting at the same time, too funny…
JrZyChris, are you talking about perverted-justice.com? Or the website I asked the writer (who I’ve been unwittingly referring to as Debra) about? That would be boylover.net, but DO NOT join unless you’re ready to lie about being a boylover and additionally ready to puke your guts out.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:27 pm
Oh lord. boylover.net. I’m telling ya. There is something out there for all sickos these days. The saddest thing is it is right at their finger tips now. They don’t have to go out and actually risk finding each other. Definately disgusting.
October 14th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
I meant Perverted Justice, did not know about boylover.net. I have to confess, I joined squirt.org because there are a HUGE amount of public areas where people are meeting (and probably hand/foot signalling) for these sex romps. I read about 3 pages of conversation regarding MEETING FOR SEX in Home Depot bathroom local to me! “OH, that was YOU in the blue shirt?” “Yea, that was me, I didn’t see you, only a worker jacking it in the third stall” I was blown away – what ever happened to going to bathroom to take a pee, wash your hands & leave? And this is a HOME DEPOT! Not a gas station or rest area on the Parkway. Anyhow, I wanted to know where these places were so we could avoid them if possible. Thanks for the PJ.com info, I used to check it out from time to time but kind of forgot about it.
Sorry for the gross post, but if you can supply a fake name / junk e-mail address you can look this stuff up by your area just for your own information.
Off topic, sorry Gregg/ Mat
October 14th, 2007 at 7:32 pm
You’re right, Eli Stusman is a good example.
I can’t believe she used her own son for cover. That is jacked up. Here I try to teach my children and even his friends the importance of honesty. She not only messed with Villi’s mind she screwed her own children out of a normal childhood. She is a selfish, egotistical bitch, who is laughing in the face of society by keeping this a front page item. I think that rates her worse then most pedophiles.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:14 pm
JrZ, I also went on squirt! I did a search in my hometown, luckily there weren’t any matches, although I did get several sideways glances and shakes of the head from dear hubby. I suppose it’s a good thing there’s only one TC’er in our household, two might be a tad too much.
Boylover is only one of many sites out there. There are many girl-lover site, and many more boylover sites. The thing that is mind boggling – it’s all totally legal. They can hint at what they want to do to boys, hint at what they have done to boys, and it’s all free speech.
I know about all these sites because a boylover was going to move in across the street from me, and someone he’d molested as a child found out and sent letters to everyone on my street. I took action immediately, learned about this sicko, contacted the realtor, got on the news, blah blah blah, and stopped him from moving in. His avatar looked just like my son!! Since then, I’ve never stopped tracking this monster and others like him. Did I know this sickness existed? Nope, not like I do now. Do I wish I didn’t? Sometimes.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Glad you found out about your neighbor-to-be before he moved in. So many people do not know until it’s too late.
A good friend in high school lived 3 houses away from me. Turns out, his older brother was a BL. The whole family except for BL moved away. The last time I saw BL was when I was pregnant, I went to pick up about 6 gallons of ice cream for myself and something small for my husband at a local ice cream / restaurant place and there was BL in the parking lot, sitting on the hood of his car all creepy and shit, licking an ice cream cone.(and of course, checking out all of the school boys that hung out there) I had wondered throughout the years whatever became of him, and I found out last week! He’s in our perv prison, for trying to molest a kid in the bathroom at our local mall. He had a box cutter on him & some rope but he wasn’t able to follow through with his plan. It’s sad for the kid but a relief to know that this ticking time bomb is behind bars for a while. Of course, his current neighbors were shocked.
I sometimes wish they would throw these guys in the general population of ANY of our state prisons. Why should they have their own safe haven while they serve their time and fantasize about their next victim? Yep, NJ has a whole facility just for sex offenders.
October 14th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Why is it that men get harsher sentences than women, for doing the same crime?
It should be the same for both. I watched a show on tv, called “Hot for Student” awhile back, and it had cases on both men and women. Anyway, the men that went after their female students got 20+ years, and the women got way less.
It was weird to me, because the women that they showed were very pretty, and could get any “older” guy they wanted. Why a kid?
I did a search about 2 yrs ago, on pedophiles in my area. And I found 5 guys that lived within 10 minutes of my house. Crazy, absolutely crazy.
October 14th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
Gregg and Matt – forgive me as I’ve ranted as usual…
JrZ “I went to pick up about 6 gallons of ice cream for myself and something small for my husband at a local ice cream / restaurant” LOL!!!! That sounds like me when I was prego!
Ya know, I’m super glad he didn’t move in, because my son and his adorable friends are always out front, skateboarding or throwing the football, and if I had to wonder if this pervert was watching from his window, it would have been pure hell. I was prepared though, and this is no lie. I had t-shirts made up, 5 of them actually, that said, “Nordyboy Pedophile Go Away”, and on the back it said, “Or Else”. You see, Nordyboy was his username on boylover.net, and I figured if he ever called the cops about the threat of “or else”, I could say “Nordyboy” was a SciFi creature. Had he told them the truth, I have a feeling they would have looked the other way. Anyhow, I had several neighbors lined up, and we were planning on taking turns walking back and forth in front of his house with our t-shirts on with a boom box blaring, many times a day. Thank God it didn’t come to that, it would have driven me crazy!
October 14th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
I wonder if Michelle will tell us if it’s her that wrote that letter in the MK post, or if someone is using her name. I find it very hard to believe that they’re the same person.
October 14th, 2007 at 9:38 pm
Are you talking about the entry itself? Where do you see who wrote it? (I just looked but I can’t see anything)
Okay, my 9 day break from work is over – gotta go back tomorrow so I’ll check back in then. Great talking with you guys -okay, ladies – tonight!
October 14th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
JZC, I googled it and put MKL and crimerant. Otherwise, I have no idea how to find it, it’s not the greatest index (no offense Matt and Gregg). Night to everyone here too, it’s late!!
October 14th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
The Letter of the Week was this comment here deposited by Michelle on Friday morning, 10-12-2007.
October 14th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Thanks, Mike, for pulling up the original post/comment. And no, it was not posted by one of our regular CR readers. I checked the IP.
Gregg
October 15th, 2007 at 5:28 am
No matter the purpose of these posters, it is all sick. If they truly feel Mary Kay is a romantic victim, or they are themselves closet pedophiles, or they think it is funny to post these goofy tributes to the abuse of a child — they are very disturbed people.
October 15th, 2007 at 6:48 am
JrZyChris – Where in NJ do you live. Dont give a town of course. I am North Jersey myself. Morris County. Grew up in Wayne. I thought I may know who you are talking about.
October 15th, 2007 at 8:32 am
Okay now you’ve done ruined homeless depot for me. Every time I go in there I am going to have to do a bathroom check before I let my boys use the john. UUGGHH
October 15th, 2007 at 9:22 am
“Villi was there for her when she needed someone to comfort her and support her, not the husband. The husband was a complete idiot as far i as see it.”
hmmm…. while Mary Kay was buying alcohol for Vili, letting Vili drive her car and having sex with Vili on the backyard swingset & public parking lots… She could have easily found someone her own age to play with.
No matter how lazy, inconsiderate or non-supportive her husband (Steve) may have been, it’s not his fault. Mary Kay’s infidelity & pedophilia can only be blamed on her-ownself.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:29 am
In addition to what I wrote above, I’d like to add that as long as MKL remains on the registered sex offenders list, her business is our business.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:53 am
“Sharon Says:
October 14th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
I totally agree. They should be left alone. I can only imagine that the majority of people still trying to pubicly crucify her have been unfortunate enough never to experience true love or sacrifice in their lives.”
You have got to be kidding. “Loving” an 11 year old boy isn’t ‘true love’ nor is it a sacrifice.
30 or 40 years with the same spouse, through the ups and downs of child rearing, home ownership, car payments, illness, death, good times and bad – THAT, Sharon, is true love. Not some illusory connection between an adult and a child.
MKL is a pedophile and a rapist. It’s unfortunate, for you, that you don’t realize that. But, please, come back down to Earth before real life knocks you back down with a thud.
October 15th, 2007 at 11:41 am
LoL thanks for the laugh. Mary Kay, IMHO, is a twisted sex crazed loon. It’s doubtful that she was attracted to the boy as much as she was attracted to the sex and the intrigue. I’ll bet on that. The mooning over him is a weak attempt to assuage her crippled mind, any possible guilt, and her twisted desire for sex. Not to mention a weak attempt to cast this farce in a better light. Correct me if I’m wrong. Did she do time over this relationship, or was that just my imagination?
I guess it’s like Father like Daughter~ her Daddy had two kids by a former student as well. Mary Kay blamed that on her Mother being cold thus driving Daddy away. LOL~ Crazy.
This kid was 11 years old when this relationship took root. I ask you, how mature was this kid then? Just mature enough to satisfy Crazy Mary’s desire is my answer. Completely ridiculous!
Hombre’
October 15th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
Not to nitpick here, but he was actually 13 when they had sex for the first time, 12 when the “romance” started. Its bad enough what she did, it doesn’t need exaggeration.
October 15th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
Funny Melissa, how we all were thinking 11. Not that it matters, that’s all semantics, fact was he was a child. I guess we all put 11 to it because it was such an outrageous act. I have children in my home all the time, they come out of the woodwork to hang with me in my kitchen, either to chat or help. Not a day goes by without at least 1 extra child in my home, and it’s usually MUCH more than 1. From the ages of 7 to 19. I simply can’t imagine, not even for a second, drawing these precious children into a sexual web to meet my own selfish needs. Even the 19 year old that visits, the thought digusts me.
Thanks for pointing out the age though, I certainly for one stand corrected. 11 was a horrible thought, 12 and 13 are still horrible, but 11 is so close to my son’s age it is inconceivable – to quote Princess Bride
October 15th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Hi Melissa:
JrZyChris – Where in NJ do you live. Dont give a town of course. I am North Jersey myself. Morris County. Grew up in Wayne. I thought I may know who you are talking about.
It would take me about 5 minutes to walk into Wayne
I’m right on the border, in Morris County. This person’s initials are DM. That should somewhat confirm if you are thinking of the same person I’m talking about. It’s public record anyway – I’d just rather not post his whole name. I was very fond of his brother who is a great person & it sucks that he’s related to this guy.
October 15th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
Here’s an old chat Mary did with court tv while she was in prison. She gives her views about prison and her relationship with Vili.
http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/2001/1113letourneau.html
And yes, Vili was a teenager when he and Mary fell in love, he was NOT 11.
October 15th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Tina, the way you wrote, “he was NOT 11″, do you think it makes this all okay?
October 15th, 2007 at 8:00 pm
OH man, how wrong I have been. He was 13. This changes everything.
Not that it matters, but if everything started when he was in 6th grade, he was 11 or 12. Unless he was held back a year. Does it really matter?
October 15th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Sure, it would have been better for Mary to wait until Vili was 18 before they began having relations, but, they just couldn’t wait. Their love for each other was too strong. Like Michelle, I have always seen this as a love story rather than a crime story. It is classified as a love story in the U.K.
I realize that I see Mary and Vili’s love story differently from many of you.
October 15th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
EEW Tina. Sorry to disagree, I only said it because everyone was making him younger and younger. It was disgustingly gross even though is was TWELVE.
Villi has had problems with women, including the most basic markers.
JrZyChris – Yes it does. Ask Gregg or Matt for my e-mail paisan.
October 15th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
I often wonder what Gregg’s thoughts are on the relationship between MK & Vili, both past & present. Mary Kay is so so charming and has much charisma. Her personality, in many ways, is innocent. It must have been very difficult to interview her, to write “the” book on Mary Kay and to not voice his opinion. Even tho he sort of does, he also sort of doesn’t. Gregg, are you listening?
October 15th, 2007 at 10:48 pm
Hi bloo,
I struggle with this question every now and then. Mary and Vili\’s \”relationship\” when he was a kid was disgusting and wrong. I can\’t really think of anything good about it. I never saw her as a predator (as in there would be any other victims) and I never saw their relationship as a love story. Just two unhinged people acting out with no regard for anyone or the consequences of their actions. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Evil? Nope.
The bottomline is that Mary was an adult and even if Vili was the love of her life, she could have waited. She didn\’t need to drag her family, the school, and the rest of us gawkers into her media-made mess.
Except that she liked the drama.
Their relationship today? Nobody\’s business but their own. She served her time. He married her. That\’s the end of the story.
For now.
October 16th, 2007 at 6:20 am
“Tina Says:
October 15th, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Sure, it would have been better for Mary to wait until Vili was 18 before they began having relations, but, they just couldn’t wait. Their love for each other was too strong. Like Michelle, I have always seen this as a love story rather than a crime story. It is classified as a love story in the U.K.
I realize that I see Mary and Vili’s love story differently from many of you.”
Tina, I really have to disagree with you here. At 12 or 13, no one is emotionally mature enough to have found the love of his life. And what you fail to grasp is that, with her actions, MKL dragged Villi into early adulthood far ahead of time. If she had left him alone, he would have had the chance to have had a very different adolescence, and develop emotionally at his own rate, instead of being thrown into an adult situation.
You can classify it as a ‘love story’, you can say that, yes, they are married now and they appear to be happy. But, what happens when Villi reaches his thirties? His forties? From his teenage years on, he has been responsible for children, for a wife, etc. He has been deprived of a carefree period in his life that he will never get back, and burdened with responsibilities he may not have been emotionally ready for. One can’t help but think that it is Villi who is going to end up feeling used and burned in the end.
MKL was the adult, and, by virtue of that, she was the ‘responsible’ one. She should have acted like it, and there is no excuse for why she didn’t. You say the love they felt was too strong, but, in Villi’s case, the ‘love’ one feels at 13 is NOT the love one will feel at 30, and the idea of an everlasting love at that age is laughable. Don’t proffer excuses for inexcusable behavior.
In any case, if she truly loved him and he truly loved her, then it would have lasted until he was 18. As the adult, as the ‘responsible’ one, MKL should have waited.
October 16th, 2007 at 8:05 am
Gregg,
Thank you for the answer. That’s sort of what I thought you would say. But I’m still interested in their current relationship… is it’s faltering or failing? Why my interest in their current affairs? You said it best, Gregg.. you once said “People can’t take their eyes off a train wreck like that”.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
Gregg,
I am interested in how things are going for Mary and Vili. They were talking about having more children and Vili said something about wanting a son. I would not want to infringe on their privacy, though, I am curious as to how they are doing.
October 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pm
Rae,
Like you brought out, Mary should have waited until Vili was of legal age until they began their love affair. I wish she had waited and let Vili go through adolecence. Neither of them could wait that long and chose not to. Both paid a heavy price for not waiting and so did her children.
Vili talks about how he tried to attract Mary.
Article and Video.
http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/2001/1113letourneau.html
Mary Kay Letourneau talks to Barbara Walters.
http://crime.about.com/od/news/a/letourn2020.htm
October 16th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
I posted the wrong link, heres the one I meant to post: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13064459/
Vili talks about how he tried to attract Mary.
October 16th, 2007 at 4:53 pm
I’m just astonished, Tina, that you think it’s okay for a 34 year old woman to seduce a 13 year old boy, and that you dismiss MKL’s lack of morality as a “love story”.
I guess it is okay, then, for a 34 year old man to seduce a 13 year old girl? As long as they ‘love’ each other?
October 16th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Even if a thirteen year old boy tried to attract an older woman, that woman should have made very clear (as a teacher) that it is not appropriate from him and especially not from her. That is how a mature, responsible professional teacher would deal with it. She was not any of those and was wrong all across the board.
October 16th, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Hey Melissa,
I just sent a request to the boys for your e-mail addy. Will contact you once I hear back. Freaky.
Chris
October 16th, 2007 at 9:49 pm
Tina,
You see it differently all right.
I see it as a felony.
Funny,the law does too. That’s why MKL went to jail for what she did.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
Tina,
Even tho you and I see their relationship in a different light, we both have this strange desire to know the current status of their lives together.
At one time they said that they were going to write a book… not sure what’s come of that. If you enjoy a bit of sleuthing… search them out on myspace, you should at least find Vili and Mary Kay’s oldest son.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
For those of you that are interested here’s an article in people magazine from May of 2006. It’s called “Mary Kay Letourneau & Vili Fualaau: One Year Later”. It’s the most recent article I can remember seeing.
October 16th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
DUH – I forgot to post the link…. sorry!
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,1191338,00.html
October 17th, 2007 at 12:52 am
Bloo, Mary and Vili have a MySpace page set to private. Look at their photo; they are very happy together. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=187543392&MyToken=1d9f058a-e8a0-465b-a7ce-79d07870aa1a
October 17th, 2007 at 11:27 am
Tina, their page wasn’t set to private a few months ago. If I recall, they had 6 or 7 friends… mostly guys that Vili is friends with in the area and MK’s son.
November 11th, 2007 at 8:49 pm
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November 21st, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Suzi
For the most part I agree with you and enjoy reading your posts.
December 4th, 2007 at 8:33 am
You wouldn’t know predator if he stood at your front door!
They are the following people policemen ,mailman,nursery care workers,school teacher,priest,bus drivers.
There not just a few there half million world wide if not more!
December 4th, 2007 at 9:52 pm
With LaFave back in the news I couldn’t help coming here to comment.
If a 34 yr old teacher of my 12 yr old son took him into her home and had sex with him I don’t know that I could keep myself from hurting the woman!
This is ABUSE.
This is not LOVE, this is a child who has no idea what he wants, let alone the ability to CONSENT to it!
There is something so very wrong with a society who sees it as alright for a woman to molest a boy as long as they are “in love”?
She is essentially robbing him of his childhood, just as a man who molests a little girl does when he commits the same crime.
It’s appalling.
Those of you with a little 12 yr old girl, think about a 34 yr old man taking her to bed and calling it “love”?
Do you believe it is acceptable being that she cannot possibly have the maturity to consent, let alone know what she wants at such a tender age? Never mind the difference in bodily maturity….ugh!
I am beginning to see that indeed women are treated differently than men when it comes to punishment/acceptance for the same criminal behaviors! From child abuse to murder.
It’s disturbing and confusing to me.
Mary Winkler can shoot a sleeping man in the back and walk away free after trashing him without a shred of proof he’d ever laid one hand on her or forced any sexual deviancy upon her, while she herself had been proven to have lied and broken the law with thousands of dollars of scams. That’s no shrinking violet, folk’s!
An abused woman wouldn’t DARE!
Deborah Lafave commits child molestation upon a 14 yr old student where she works as a teacher and avoids prison because of the way she LOOKS.
We’d have strung up a man, in both cases!
What is happening here?
Is there something wrong with me? Have I lost my sense of logic and common sense, my ability to empathize and understand?
Why is it I see criminaql’s as equal opportunist’s who should also serve the same just & equal punishments?
Man or woman?
As someone above stated:
A pedophile is a pedophile. One is no different than the other.
Male or female.
January 2nd, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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January 14th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Excuse me Frankly Scarlett while I vomit. Would you like YOUR 25 years old son to be RAPED by woman? And if you don’t think it woud be a rape how old your son should be so it’d ok? 16? 18? 21? So is it all about the law. I met a load of totally dumb an immature 40 y/o men. Should they “enjoy” such protection too or maybe they don’t need it cuz they are quite safe from such advances due to they total lack of appeal, you know: no looks no brains? And it’s very effective tactic indeed to be like what if it’d happened to your kid. Ok I agree, as a mother of right 11 y/o boy that it’s really absolutely natural too feel protective about your child, to try to shield him from any painful experience and the younger your child the more unexperienced and naive he ot she is the more protective you are and it won’t just stop when he’s 18, it’s not about law at all. It’s about feelings. So if I found out about his being involved with a woman (boy, girl you name it)I’d worried, but… it doesn’t mean I’d jump to the coclusion he was harmed. First of all because I don’t think that sex is that dangerous and important, actually it’s about fun you can have with another person not about doing your worst to harm them. And it’s not necessary to be megasmart to make deceisions is it fun to you or not. If a person attracted to the another one feels pleasure and satisfaction, and not pain or revulsion and isn’t forced or intimidated into affair I see no harm in it
February 9th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
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