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		<title>By: Compassrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compassrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, Michelle, that was very kind of you to say. Truthfully, I have no idea why anyone would want to contact a family involved in such a deep trauma unless they can offer some useful support. It has to be difficult enough to endure tragic events without trying to sort out the true friend from the merely curious wanting to get some private detail to gloat over. I have made financial contirubutions to families. Not sure how that fits on the the family contact rubric.

As for the culture of TC blogs, I have been around long enough to have seem more than a few explode, implode, or just go dormant to know most blogs have a limited life expediency. Matt and Gregg gave Crimerant a very good run, and I truly appreciate that. But even as just a reader, it is sometimes very overwhelming to spend too much time contemplating the horrible things people do to one another in this world. It is like looking too long at a bright light -- it can distort your vision and blind you to the good that does exist.

One thing I do know from reading any TC, and I do mean know, is that evil too often exists in this world because of the passive inactivity of too many. People that turn a blind eye to what it happening, or don&#039;t want to get involved, or are too afraid to speak up. That is what will always break my heart is the lost opportunities to have changed the fate of so many, especially children.

Now having said all that, to the end of my days I will never be able to set aside the fate of little Dylan Groene. I know it is not normal and is a very narrow focus. He was not alone in his fate, but there is something about his tragic loss that made me aware there is much we don&#039;t know about the ways of the world, the deep fallacies of our system, the false security we often feel from nobleminded  but weak or pointless laws, and the absolute evil that coexist in this world waiting to claim an innocent life. 

I agree with Sibby, I don&#039;t think we need a front row seat to the continued Anthony tragedy. But like some evil released from Pandora&#039;s Box, I don&#039;t think the bloodsuckers making a living off of this child&#039;s tragic death are going to suddenly grow a heart and let the LE and courts handle this case with what dignity they can manage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, Michelle, that was very kind of you to say. Truthfully, I have no idea why anyone would want to contact a family involved in such a deep trauma unless they can offer some useful support. It has to be difficult enough to endure tragic events without trying to sort out the true friend from the merely curious wanting to get some private detail to gloat over. I have made financial contirubutions to families. Not sure how that fits on the the family contact rubric.</p>
<p>As for the culture of TC blogs, I have been around long enough to have seem more than a few explode, implode, or just go dormant to know most blogs have a limited life expediency. Matt and Gregg gave Crimerant a very good run, and I truly appreciate that. But even as just a reader, it is sometimes very overwhelming to spend too much time contemplating the horrible things people do to one another in this world. It is like looking too long at a bright light &#8212; it can distort your vision and blind you to the good that does exist.</p>
<p>One thing I do know from reading any TC, and I do mean know, is that evil too often exists in this world because of the passive inactivity of too many. People that turn a blind eye to what it happening, or don&#8217;t want to get involved, or are too afraid to speak up. That is what will always break my heart is the lost opportunities to have changed the fate of so many, especially children.</p>
<p>Now having said all that, to the end of my days I will never be able to set aside the fate of little Dylan Groene. I know it is not normal and is a very narrow focus. He was not alone in his fate, but there is something about his tragic loss that made me aware there is much we don&#8217;t know about the ways of the world, the deep fallacies of our system, the false security we often feel from nobleminded  but weak or pointless laws, and the absolute evil that coexist in this world waiting to claim an innocent life. </p>
<p>I agree with Sibby, I don&#8217;t think we need a front row seat to the continued Anthony tragedy. But like some evil released from Pandora&#8217;s Box, I don&#8217;t think the bloodsuckers making a living off of this child&#8217;s tragic death are going to suddenly grow a heart and let the LE and courts handle this case with what dignity they can manage.</p>
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		<title>By: Sibby</title>
		<link>http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1733&#038;cpage=1#comment-231275</link>
		<dc:creator>Sibby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, I have always liked reading your posts.  They usually provoke thought, and I have always been one to agree to disagree with anyone.  Never did care for anyone shoving thoughts down anyone&#039;s throats. 

If it comes out that the Anthony&#039;s are covering for their daughter, I may not agree with them doing that, but certainly understand it as a parent.  I have no doubt they loved Caylee beyond reason. Whatever the truth is, it will come out and they will deal with it.  I certainly don&#039;t need a front row seat to it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, I have always liked reading your posts.  They usually provoke thought, and I have always been one to agree to disagree with anyone.  Never did care for anyone shoving thoughts down anyone&#8217;s throats. </p>
<p>If it comes out that the Anthony&#8217;s are covering for their daughter, I may not agree with them doing that, but certainly understand it as a parent.  I have no doubt they loved Caylee beyond reason. Whatever the truth is, it will come out and they will deal with it.  I certainly don&#8217;t need a front row seat to it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne From NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne From NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I initially was referring to things starting up when Fifi said she could see why Matt and Gregg didn&#039;t want to deal with this place anymore. Perhaps I read that the wrong way.

I wasn&#039;t being passive aggressive as none of what I said was pointed at anyone currently posting. I was agreeing that there are crazies out there.

As for the unhappy part it is a vibe that comes off posts. I&#039;m not assuming anything about anyone.  

I -think- that clarifies everything.  I hope. I apologize if anyone was offended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I initially was referring to things starting up when Fifi said she could see why Matt and Gregg didn&#8217;t want to deal with this place anymore. Perhaps I read that the wrong way.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t being passive aggressive as none of what I said was pointed at anyone currently posting. I was agreeing that there are crazies out there.</p>
<p>As for the unhappy part it is a vibe that comes off posts. I&#8217;m not assuming anything about anyone.  </p>
<p>I -think- that clarifies everything.  I hope. I apologize if anyone was offended.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too was happy to see a post up at crime rant.  I also miss the site.  However, I am a realist.  

I enjoy voicing my opinion just as much as the next person.  However, I have found that my right to voice an unpopular opinion is rarely respected out here in the true crime interwebs.  Instead, the retort is more along the lines that I should not say a word unless I plan on following the party line. 

I like this site because I trust Matt and Gregg.  I am comfortable expressing my point of view here.  I also know that they have more than demonstrated that they value the 1st Amendment, regardless of whether they agree with everything that people have to say or not.  I really could never even imagine them telling someone that they used too many words to express their thoughts, or that they weren’t entitled to express their point of view simply because they didn’t agree with it.  

One of the reasons that I was pleased to see the post is because I have had a fairly empathetic viewpoint towards the Anthony family and I know that viewpoint is not welcomed ANYWHERE.  Having crime rant throw up a post made me feel comfortable enough to voice my opinion.  But as usual, when it’s not what others want to hear…

What irritates me is that there is never any attempt to debate my point of view; only varying attempts shut it down or to throw out little digs.

Look at this post and what Nancy had to say.  In a nutshell, since my opinion wasn’t on her approved list I used too many words to express it.  And of course, since I had an opinion that wasn’t shared by her I was obviously a lesser human, as is evident by her assessment of me personally, rather than the specifics of what I said.

Then we have the usual standby of “if you don’t like it you don’t have to read it,” and other similar phrasing.  This type of argument is just plain infantile and can’t even stand on its own merit.  I’m sure back in the day of slave ownership those that were opposed spoke out against it, and those who thought it was a good idea retorted with, “Well, if you don’t like slavery then don’t buy one.”  Like I said, it’s an infantile type of argument that can’t stand under its own weight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was happy to see a post up at crime rant.  I also miss the site.  However, I am a realist.  </p>
<p>I enjoy voicing my opinion just as much as the next person.  However, I have found that my right to voice an unpopular opinion is rarely respected out here in the true crime interwebs.  Instead, the retort is more along the lines that I should not say a word unless I plan on following the party line. </p>
<p>I like this site because I trust Matt and Gregg.  I am comfortable expressing my point of view here.  I also know that they have more than demonstrated that they value the 1st Amendment, regardless of whether they agree with everything that people have to say or not.  I really could never even imagine them telling someone that they used too many words to express their thoughts, or that they weren’t entitled to express their point of view simply because they didn’t agree with it.  </p>
<p>One of the reasons that I was pleased to see the post is because I have had a fairly empathetic viewpoint towards the Anthony family and I know that viewpoint is not welcomed ANYWHERE.  Having crime rant throw up a post made me feel comfortable enough to voice my opinion.  But as usual, when it’s not what others want to hear…</p>
<p>What irritates me is that there is never any attempt to debate my point of view; only varying attempts shut it down or to throw out little digs.</p>
<p>Look at this post and what Nancy had to say.  In a nutshell, since my opinion wasn’t on her approved list I used too many words to express it.  And of course, since I had an opinion that wasn’t shared by her I was obviously a lesser human, as is evident by her assessment of me personally, rather than the specifics of what I said.</p>
<p>Then we have the usual standby of “if you don’t like it you don’t have to read it,” and other similar phrasing.  This type of argument is just plain infantile and can’t even stand on its own merit.  I’m sure back in the day of slave ownership those that were opposed spoke out against it, and those who thought it was a good idea retorted with, “Well, if you don’t like slavery then don’t buy one.”  Like I said, it’s an infantile type of argument that can’t stand under its own weight.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about, Jeanne?  No one has tried to *start* anything and I don’t see anyone shoving anything down anybodies throat.  How about you spit it out and say exactly what you mean instead of pussyfooting around with the passive aggressive remarks.  I see a lot of open ended allegations but I see nothing where you actually point towards what you are talking about.  How about some specifics?!  And what is with your assumption that people are unhappy? You are making this judgment call based on what, exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about, Jeanne?  No one has tried to *start* anything and I don’t see anyone shoving anything down anybodies throat.  How about you spit it out and say exactly what you mean instead of pussyfooting around with the passive aggressive remarks.  I see a lot of open ended allegations but I see nothing where you actually point towards what you are talking about.  How about some specifics?!  And what is with your assumption that people are unhappy? You are making this judgment call based on what, exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne From NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne From NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is/was the only crime website I really looked at other than one on myspace which has basically died as well in over 2 years.

I have to agree on the lunatics on TC sites. I know of quite a few and it can get scary. Some become so obsessed it almost becomes stalkerish. I have even had some of those type of people follow me from site to site continuing their rude and sad attempts to bring me down.

These days I ignore those who try and stir things up. takes less energy that way. If you are true to yourself you are truly happy and nothing anyone types will bother you. I think of it as just text since I don&#039;t know the majority of people offline.

my attempt above was to try and at least get people not to take for granted the boys had posted another post.  They didn&#039;t have to post it, just like the people trying to start stuff didn&#039;t have to read it let alone respond to it. To each his own choice.  Everyone has the right to their own opinion and a right to have one, just not the right to shove it down others throats like has happened typically on TC sites.

Happy new year to all.  Make it a good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is/was the only crime website I really looked at other than one on myspace which has basically died as well in over 2 years.</p>
<p>I have to agree on the lunatics on TC sites. I know of quite a few and it can get scary. Some become so obsessed it almost becomes stalkerish. I have even had some of those type of people follow me from site to site continuing their rude and sad attempts to bring me down.</p>
<p>These days I ignore those who try and stir things up. takes less energy that way. If you are true to yourself you are truly happy and nothing anyone types will bother you. I think of it as just text since I don&#8217;t know the majority of people offline.</p>
<p>my attempt above was to try and at least get people not to take for granted the boys had posted another post.  They didn&#8217;t have to post it, just like the people trying to start stuff didn&#8217;t have to read it let alone respond to it. To each his own choice.  Everyone has the right to their own opinion and a right to have one, just not the right to shove it down others throats like has happened typically on TC sites.</p>
<p>Happy new year to all.  Make it a good one!</p>
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		<title>By: Fiz UK</title>
		<link>http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1733&#038;cpage=1#comment-231218</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiz UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with you there, Michelle. I&#039;m picky about who I read on the Net and I was warned about certain chat rooms and that there were real lunatics on some sites before I ever went onto crime sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with you there, Michelle. I&#8217;m picky about who I read on the Net and I was warned about certain chat rooms and that there were real lunatics on some sites before I ever went onto crime sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1733&#038;cpage=1#comment-231216</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 07:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Compass, you know I like you.  You have never been insincere in what you express.  You are one of the few that actually care.  You don’t follow cases in order to try and involve yourself in them personally.  I have never known you to make an attempt to contact anyone directly tied to a crime case, let alone consider the thought in order to fulfill your own need for attention. You are just not built that way, and it shows.  

Compass, you are a good soul.  And you have certainly never tried to silence someone because you don’t like what they say, or how they say it.  You have never stamped your feet, threatened to take your toys and go home, and acted like you were personally victimized by an unpopular opinion.  You are one of the few that address the subject matter, rather than go after the poster personally; YOU actually want to debate the issue.  You are smarter than the average true crime blog reader, I think.  

I don’t think that there is anything wrong in looking for a sense of community.  However, the true crime community is dysfunctional and unhealthy on its best day.  I honestly believe that the majority of the people who hang out in these crime forums and whatnot are NOT good people at heart.  I truly believe that.  And that belief is completely based on what I have witnessed come from the same forums over, and over, and over.  I’ve watched as far too many people have been victimized by these so called “angels.” I dislike the majority of crime blogs and forums for good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Compass, you know I like you.  You have never been insincere in what you express.  You are one of the few that actually care.  You don’t follow cases in order to try and involve yourself in them personally.  I have never known you to make an attempt to contact anyone directly tied to a crime case, let alone consider the thought in order to fulfill your own need for attention. You are just not built that way, and it shows.  </p>
<p>Compass, you are a good soul.  And you have certainly never tried to silence someone because you don’t like what they say, or how they say it.  You have never stamped your feet, threatened to take your toys and go home, and acted like you were personally victimized by an unpopular opinion.  You are one of the few that address the subject matter, rather than go after the poster personally; YOU actually want to debate the issue.  You are smarter than the average true crime blog reader, I think.  </p>
<p>I don’t think that there is anything wrong in looking for a sense of community.  However, the true crime community is dysfunctional and unhealthy on its best day.  I honestly believe that the majority of the people who hang out in these crime forums and whatnot are NOT good people at heart.  I truly believe that.  And that belief is completely based on what I have witnessed come from the same forums over, and over, and over.  I’ve watched as far too many people have been victimized by these so called “angels.” I dislike the majority of crime blogs and forums for good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Compassrose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Compassrose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 03:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck to Matt and Gregg and their careers. 

Good luck to Cindy and George Anthony. Their situation is not going to get easier.

Michelle, I have always admired your honesty. 

Truthfully, I have no idea how any blog manages their affairs. (Websleuths, etc.) 

I can see where any blog could empower random people, such as myself, to feel smarter, more informed, more involved, more included, and consequently make them more assertive than they are entitled to feel. I guess this it is the time to move on and find a new outlet for burning up time at the end of the day. I do know some authors that write good books. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck to Matt and Gregg and their careers. </p>
<p>Good luck to Cindy and George Anthony. Their situation is not going to get easier.</p>
<p>Michelle, I have always admired your honesty. </p>
<p>Truthfully, I have no idea how any blog manages their affairs. (Websleuths, etc.) </p>
<p>I can see where any blog could empower random people, such as myself, to feel smarter, more informed, more involved, more included, and consequently make them more assertive than they are entitled to feel. I guess this it is the time to move on and find a new outlet for burning up time at the end of the day. I do know some authors that write good books. <img src='http://www.crimerant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeanne From NC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeanne From NC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just an fyi if I don&#039;t agree with what someone posts no matter who they are I&#039;ll voice it. I think that was proven when I posted Ann Rule&#039;s e-mail to me that talked badly of her readers to let them know what she really thought on my blog.

I was excited when I saw they had posted something and even posted a bulletin on myspace to let others know.

I know they have written this place off basically. While sad, I have moved on and just happened to jump to the site one day when I was bored and noticed the new post.

Anyone with a problem with what I post my mail is open.  Hell I even had one of the girls that had been the subject of one of the articles here contact me a few weeks ago to give her side of the story.  That story had been posted a year ago.

I have moved on from this place, Ann Rule, etc. I have found what makes me happy and ran with it. Hopefully others that may not be so happy will find what makes them happy and be able to move on as well. If you aren&#039;t happy with what is posted why bother coming back, let alone typing a response? I ask that of people that h8 on my youtube videos.  All I have to say is thank god for the delete key on youtube as far as responses go.

Good luck to all in the coming new year!  Gregg and Matt I wish you most the best in the future with your books.

Peace and love,
Jeanne

jeanne@tutts.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just an fyi if I don&#8217;t agree with what someone posts no matter who they are I&#8217;ll voice it. I think that was proven when I posted Ann Rule&#8217;s e-mail to me that talked badly of her readers to let them know what she really thought on my blog.</p>
<p>I was excited when I saw they had posted something and even posted a bulletin on myspace to let others know.</p>
<p>I know they have written this place off basically. While sad, I have moved on and just happened to jump to the site one day when I was bored and noticed the new post.</p>
<p>Anyone with a problem with what I post my mail is open.  Hell I even had one of the girls that had been the subject of one of the articles here contact me a few weeks ago to give her side of the story.  That story had been posted a year ago.</p>
<p>I have moved on from this place, Ann Rule, etc. I have found what makes me happy and ran with it. Hopefully others that may not be so happy will find what makes them happy and be able to move on as well. If you aren&#8217;t happy with what is posted why bother coming back, let alone typing a response? I ask that of people that h8 on my youtube videos.  All I have to say is thank god for the delete key on youtube as far as responses go.</p>
<p>Good luck to all in the coming new year!  Gregg and Matt I wish you most the best in the future with your books.</p>
<p>Peace and love,<br />
Jeanne</p>
<p><a href="mailto:jeanne@tutts.org">jeanne@tutts.org</a></p>
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