Comments on: Hate Crimes: Can Gays Perpetrate Hate on Other Gays? http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152 Deliberating Crime Coast to Coast Fri, 04 Jun 2010 03:31:50 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: mike yk paahana http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-203396 mike yk paahana Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:39:23 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-203396 no only stupid people make hate crimes against us not other gays no only stupid people make hate crimes against us not other gays

]]> By: Terri http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-80139 Terri Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:36:42 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-80139 WTF Rick? Nobody said anything like that. WTF Rick? Nobody said anything like that.

]]> By: TXMichelle http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79523 TXMichelle Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:41:38 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79523 Mark, I agree that the crime committed against you was certainly a hate crime. They picked you and were violent towards you ONLY because you are gay. Those crimes should not be accepted and should be punished severly. Still, I don't see this one as a hate crime. I have to agree with pinola on this one. They chose a victim based on his niavete (sp?). They went onto a gay website because they were gay. It is much easier to talk to and dupe someone when you know what you are saying. I would fail miserably at that. Straight men and women go onto straight websites looking for victims for the very same reason. Not hate involved, as much as being comfortable in the environment that you are trying to con someone in. Mark,
I agree that the crime committed against you was certainly a hate crime. They picked you and were violent towards you ONLY because you are gay.
Those crimes should not be accepted and should be punished severly. Still, I don’t see this one as a hate crime. I have to agree with pinola on this one. They chose a victim based on his niavete (sp?).
They went onto a gay website because they were gay. It is much easier to talk to and dupe someone when you know what you are saying. I would fail miserably at that. Straight men and women go onto straight websites looking for victims for the very same reason. Not hate involved, as much as being comfortable in the environment that you are trying to con someone in.

]]> By: pinola http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79408 pinola Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:58:06 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79408 What's wrong with you, Rick? I didn't say Sandy got what he deserved. My point, which you didn't get, was that there was nothing about Sandy's being gay that required him to agree to that risky hookup. If he'd been a woman hooking up with a man online (and had met the same fate), there'd have been no hate crime charges against the perps. I can't remember hearing of anyone charged with a hate crime for raping or killing white women. I do know of one case in which a white man was charged regarding his assault against a black woman, but that case was the perfect perp/victim configuration and quite a rare bird. What’s wrong with you, Rick? I didn’t say Sandy got what he deserved. My point, which you didn’t get, was that there was nothing about Sandy’s being gay that required him to agree to that risky hookup. If he’d been a woman hooking up with a man online (and had met the same fate), there’d have been no hate crime charges against the perps. I can’t remember hearing of anyone charged with a hate crime for raping or killing white women. I do know of one case in which a white man was charged regarding his assault against a black woman, but that case was the perfect perp/victim configuration and quite a rare bird.

]]> By: rick r. reed http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79349 rick r. reed Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:00:06 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79349 Pinola says: "Sandy’s not dead because he was gay. There’s nothing about being gay that requires a person to engage in risky hookups. He made himself an easy target." So he got what he deserved, right? And a woman who dresses provocatively and gets raped was asking for it? I've seen your "logic" before and it doesn't hold water. There is no excuse for hurting someone else, no matter how misguided the victims actions may have been. Pinola says: “Sandy’s not dead because he was gay. There’s nothing about being gay that requires a person to engage in risky hookups. He made himself an easy target.”

So he got what he deserved, right? And a woman who dresses provocatively and gets raped was asking for it? I’ve seen your “logic” before and it doesn’t hold water. There is no excuse for hurting someone else, no matter how misguided the victims actions may have been.

]]> By: Mark http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79292 Mark Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:34:03 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79292 Well if they cut a swastika into your forehead, it's a hate crime. Does that make u feel any better? LOL, I know that was aweful! But seriously, if a woman gets attacked by a strange man & he calls her a bitch or the C word it qualifies as a hate crime. This law is a good thing for everyone. So please don't generalize & say that particular groups of people are trying to gain power through victimhood, it's not fair. I know a whole lot of gays & none of us ever play the victim, it would be playing into a stereotype that most of us want nothing to do with. Well if they cut a swastika into your forehead, it’s a hate crime. Does that make u feel any better? LOL, I know that was aweful! But seriously, if a woman gets attacked by a strange man & he calls her a bitch or the C word it qualifies as a hate crime. This law is a good thing for everyone. So please don’t generalize & say that particular groups of people are trying to gain power through victimhood, it’s not fair. I know a whole lot of gays & none of us ever play the victim, it would be playing into a stereotype that most of us want nothing to do with.

]]> By: pinola http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79276 pinola Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:33:48 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79276 What I said, Mark. You're white. There are plenty of places where I'd be a target because of my race and sex, but no one would be charged with a hate crime for assaulting or murdering me. Tough luck. The downside of whiteness. What I said, Mark. You’re white. There are plenty of places where I’d be a target because of my race and sex, but no one would be charged with a hate crime for assaulting or murdering me. Tough luck. The downside of whiteness.

]]> By: Mark http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79224 Mark Sat, 20 Oct 2007 22:52:38 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79224 I forget the name of the case but it's what solidified the hate crime law... When the gang of black guys killed the Hascidic Jew in Brooklyn or Queens. U know what I'm talkin about... after that incident is when they made the law. Reguardless, it's a good law & adds time onto the prison sentances of these offenders. I don't understand why u find it offensive? Pinola, maybe you should know what it's like to walk down a street & have a bunch of guys come running up behind u, kick u in the back so u fall over, then form a circle around u & start kicking & punching & spitting on you, calling u faggot ...then file a report with the cops, hearing them snicker as they walk out of the room, I even gave them the liscence plate # of the car those bastards were driving. They never did anything...this happened b4 the hate crimes law. Lets see it happen to you, then you can tell me tell me about seeking power through victimhood. It happened, I got over it... I haven't even spoken about what happened all those years ago, but reading your insensitive & uninformed comment, I thought u should know. Oh by the way, I'm white. U wanna know what was goin through my head the whole time? Like it or not, I'll tell you... I couldn't grasp why a bunch of black guys, who have probably been faced with prejudice all their lives, would go fag bashing. That's all that kept going through my head (besides oww & eeewww). Still feel the same Pinola? Mark I forget the name of the case but it’s what solidified the hate crime law… When the gang of black guys killed the Hascidic Jew in Brooklyn or Queens. U know what I’m talkin about… after that incident is when they made the law. Reguardless, it’s a good law & adds time onto the prison sentances of these offenders. I don’t understand why u find it offensive? Pinola, maybe you should know what it’s like to walk down a street & have a bunch of guys come running up behind u, kick u in the back so u fall over, then form a circle around u & start kicking & punching & spitting on you, calling u faggot …then file a report with the cops, hearing them snicker as they walk out of the room, I even gave them the liscence plate # of the car those bastards were driving. They never did anything…this happened b4 the hate crimes law. Lets see it happen to you, then you can tell me tell me about seeking power through victimhood. It happened, I got over it… I haven’t even spoken about what happened all those years ago, but reading your insensitive & uninformed comment, I thought u should know. Oh by the way, I’m white. U wanna know what was goin through my head the whole time? Like it or not, I’ll tell you… I couldn’t grasp why a bunch of black guys, who have probably been faced with prejudice all their lives, would go fag bashing. That’s all that kept going through my head (besides oww & eeewww). Still feel the same Pinola?
Mark

]]> By: pinola http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79159 pinola Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:35:48 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79159 Sandy's not dead because he was gay. There's nothing about being gay that requires a person to engage in risky hookups. He made himself an easy target. Blacks and male gays seem to be the only groups entitled to hate crime victim status. It's all about gaining power through victimhood. I'll be happy to change my opinion if anyone can show me some cases where hate crime charges were filed in crimes with female or white victims. Sandy’s not dead because he was gay. There’s nothing about being gay that requires a person to engage in risky hookups. He made himself an easy target.
Blacks and male gays seem to be the only groups entitled to hate crime victim status. It’s all about gaining power through victimhood.
I’ll be happy to change my opinion if anyone can show me some cases where hate crime charges were filed in crimes with female or white victims.

]]> By: Mark http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152&cpage=1#comment-79112 Mark Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:59:19 +0000 http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1152#comment-79112 I think Craig hit the nail on the head. It seems to me, however, that most of u are believing this was a robbery. This was clearly about lureing (did I spell that right?) a "fag" to beat him up, the robbery part was just the bonus. They couldn't know that he'd have money on him. As for Fortunato, he's gonna figure out whether he's gay or not once he gets to prison...his just desserts! Having been bashed (7 guys & me), I'm always amazed that these guys think they're tough. Why is it always 3 or more guys asaulting 1 gay? I'll tell u why: Contrary to steriotypes, all the gays I know, know how to fight...the toughest ones being the drag queens! Surprised? We've had to defend ourselves all our lives! Know this, mess with us & all fighting "ettiquette" goes out the window...we fight dirty & we WON'T lose. These morons who go bashing would never have the balls for a 1 on 1 fight...who wants to explain that they got beat up by a fag? For those of you that don't understand the hate crime law...it doesn't pertain only to gays. It's about people seeking out a particular gender, race, sexual orientation or religion and assaulting them. It's not about attacking a specific person, it's about attacking (again) a gender, race, sexual orientation or religion. That's what makes it a hate crime. Thanks for letting me say my piece. Hope I was able to clarify a few things! Mark I think Craig hit the nail on the head. It seems to me, however, that most of u are believing this was a robbery. This was clearly about lureing (did I spell that right?) a “fag” to beat him up, the robbery part was just the bonus. They couldn’t know that he’d have money on him.
As for Fortunato, he’s gonna figure out whether he’s gay or not once he gets to prison…his just desserts! Having been bashed (7 guys & me), I’m always amazed that these guys think they’re tough. Why is it always 3 or more guys asaulting 1 gay? I’ll tell u why: Contrary to steriotypes, all the gays I know, know how to fight…the toughest ones being the drag queens! Surprised? We’ve had to defend ourselves all our lives! Know this, mess with us & all fighting “ettiquette” goes out the window…we fight dirty & we WON’T lose. These morons who go bashing would never have the balls for a 1 on 1 fight…who wants to explain that they got beat up by a fag?
For those of you that don’t understand the hate crime law…it doesn’t pertain only to gays. It’s about people seeking out a particular gender, race, sexual orientation or religion and assaulting them. It’s not about attacking a specific person, it’s about attacking (again) a gender, race, sexual orientation or religion. That’s what makes it a hate crime.
Thanks for letting me say my piece. Hope I was able to clarify a few things!
Mark

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