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		<title>By: Robert Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bishopstone,  Swindon -- A young girl shown on video being sexually assaulted was raped while in the care of a Susan Lowry owner of hillsborough child nursery, the mother&#039;s attorney said Tuesday.

 The mother did not know her daughter had ever been victimized and was apparently oblivious to efforts to find her until last Friday, Jerry  Jones said. 
Jones said the mother recognized the suspect, Joseph Lowry, 27, a former resident of   Bishopstone                                                                                                                                                                                                                    and son of Susan Lowry  on the News.                                                                                                                           
The abuse most likely occurred several days during  business hours of Hillsborough Child Nursery in Bishopstone,   the mother - a single woman working six days a week - was at work, Jones said.            
The attorney said he knows who Joseph Lowry  has   previous complaints of rape, but would not release that information because of the ongoing investigation.
Earlier, officials had said the girl, who is now 7, was 3-years-old at the time the video was made. But Jones  said Tuesday, &quot;To my understanding, the abuse occurred before she was 3 years old.&quot; 
The mother of the girl asked that the news media leave the family alone.
&quot;I want to ask you, the press, to respect my family&#039;s privacy and to not attempt to contact my daughter or myself,&quot; the mother said in a written statement read by her attorney. The mother also said she is cooperating with investigators and that her daughter &quot;is safe and healthy.&quot;
 The girl&#039;s videotaped rape set off a nationwide search last week. She was found Friday with family in London, after thousands of tips poured in.
Professionals have since evaluated her and she appears to be &quot;healthy and fine and happy,&quot; the lawyer said.
The lawyer said neither he nor the mother has watched the videotape.
Asked whether the mother is thankful to the news media for having published the girl&#039;s picture so that authorities were able to identify her, Jones said, &quot;Not really ... there&#039;s some things maybe you don&#039;t want to know.&quot;
Still, he said, he hopes Joseph Lowry the man in the tape is brought to justice. 
&quot;Speaking as a father myself, I wish  Joseph Lowry  would dig a hole in the desert and put a gun in his mouth,&quot; he said.
Meanwhile, the intense manhunt for Joseph Lowry continued Tuesday.
On Monday, Joseph Lowry   former girlfriend, Rebecca Allen, told the news she thinks Susan Lowry  is the reason Joseph Lowry  came in contact with the girl and is &quot;mortified&quot; by the allegations against him.
Allen said she and Joseph Lowry were in an on-again, off-again relationship for 2 years until recently, when she also was raped
&quot;He said he&#039;d been refused  in the Army and, you know, I was looking for a strong guy to represent to my sons what I thought they needed to be,&quot; Allen said.
Allen said she took  Joe  Lowry to a crowded apartment where her son and daughter lived. Also living in the apartment were a family friend and her daughter, who allegedly was victimized by Joe Lowry
&quot;I&#039;m disgusted. I&#039;m ashamed, embarrassed, mortified,&quot; Allen said of the alleged rape. &quot;I regret every, every step I ever took, I feel bad for the baby.&quot;
The Police is also seeking John Lowry and Susan Lowry,  residents of Bishopstone,  in a separate matter involving state charges of sexual assault and lewdness with a minor under the age of 4  at Hillsborough Child Nursery in Bishopstone
 A man who said he found the tape in Hillsborough child nursery  and held it for at least five months before handing it over to authorities turned himself in Sunday to County officials.
Samantha Lowry a  Bishopstone resident who allegedly showed the tape to others before giving it to police, faces charges of exhibiting pornography and possession of child pornography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bishopstone,  Swindon &#8212; A young girl shown on video being sexually assaulted was raped while in the care of a Susan Lowry owner of hillsborough child nursery, the mother&#8217;s attorney said Tuesday.</p>
<p> The mother did not know her daughter had ever been victimized and was apparently oblivious to efforts to find her until last Friday, Jerry  Jones said.<br />
Jones said the mother recognized the suspect, Joseph Lowry, 27, a former resident of   Bishopstone                                                                                                                                                                                                                    and son of Susan Lowry  on the News.<br />
The abuse most likely occurred several days during  business hours of Hillsborough Child Nursery in Bishopstone,   the mother &#8211; a single woman working six days a week &#8211; was at work, Jones said.<br />
The attorney said he knows who Joseph Lowry  has   previous complaints of rape, but would not release that information because of the ongoing investigation.<br />
Earlier, officials had said the girl, who is now 7, was 3-years-old at the time the video was made. But Jones  said Tuesday, &#8220;To my understanding, the abuse occurred before she was 3 years old.&#8221;<br />
The mother of the girl asked that the news media leave the family alone.<br />
&#8220;I want to ask you, the press, to respect my family&#8217;s privacy and to not attempt to contact my daughter or myself,&#8221; the mother said in a written statement read by her attorney. The mother also said she is cooperating with investigators and that her daughter &#8220;is safe and healthy.&#8221;<br />
 The girl&#8217;s videotaped rape set off a nationwide search last week. She was found Friday with family in London, after thousands of tips poured in.<br />
Professionals have since evaluated her and she appears to be &#8220;healthy and fine and happy,&#8221; the lawyer said.<br />
The lawyer said neither he nor the mother has watched the videotape.<br />
Asked whether the mother is thankful to the news media for having published the girl&#8217;s picture so that authorities were able to identify her, Jones said, &#8220;Not really &#8230; there&#8217;s some things maybe you don&#8217;t want to know.&#8221;<br />
Still, he said, he hopes Joseph Lowry the man in the tape is brought to justice.<br />
&#8220;Speaking as a father myself, I wish  Joseph Lowry  would dig a hole in the desert and put a gun in his mouth,&#8221; he said.<br />
Meanwhile, the intense manhunt for Joseph Lowry continued Tuesday.<br />
On Monday, Joseph Lowry   former girlfriend, Rebecca Allen, told the news she thinks Susan Lowry  is the reason Joseph Lowry  came in contact with the girl and is &#8220;mortified&#8221; by the allegations against him.<br />
Allen said she and Joseph Lowry were in an on-again, off-again relationship for 2 years until recently, when she also was raped<br />
&#8220;He said he&#8217;d been refused  in the Army and, you know, I was looking for a strong guy to represent to my sons what I thought they needed to be,&#8221; Allen said.<br />
Allen said she took  Joe  Lowry to a crowded apartment where her son and daughter lived. Also living in the apartment were a family friend and her daughter, who allegedly was victimized by Joe Lowry<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;m disgusted. I&#8217;m ashamed, embarrassed, mortified,&#8221; Allen said of the alleged rape. &#8220;I regret every, every step I ever took, I feel bad for the baby.&#8221;<br />
The Police is also seeking John Lowry and Susan Lowry,  residents of Bishopstone,  in a separate matter involving state charges of sexual assault and lewdness with a minor under the age of 4  at Hillsborough Child Nursery in Bishopstone<br />
 A man who said he found the tape in Hillsborough child nursery  and held it for at least five months before handing it over to authorities turned himself in Sunday to County officials.<br />
Samantha Lowry a  Bishopstone resident who allegedly showed the tape to others before giving it to police, faces charges of exhibiting pornography and possession of child pornography.</p>
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		<title>By: M. William Phelps</title>
		<link>http://www.crimerant.com/?p=1144&#038;cpage=1#comment-78703</link>
		<dc:creator>M. William Phelps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danuta--and those like her--have a lot of nerve judging us for what we write, and, moreover, judging those who want to tell their stories. I am tired of it. Simply cannot take it anymore.

Andrew, I&#039;m glad you chimed in here.

It&#039;s funny, someone mentioned Pelzer&#039;s book A CHILD CALLED IT. Pelzer&#039;s own family members dispute the claims in that book. Regardless if the book is accurate or not, critics were amazed by his &quot;courage ... and fearlessness&quot; to come forward and tell his story. 

Why not be appalled by that book, too? It makes no sense. Here, you have several people telling stories of abuse, etc. (something that takes place on Oprah on any given show) and they are considered pornographers. Danuta was way off base here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danuta&#8211;and those like her&#8211;have a lot of nerve judging us for what we write, and, moreover, judging those who want to tell their stories. I am tired of it. Simply cannot take it anymore.</p>
<p>Andrew, I&#8217;m glad you chimed in here.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, someone mentioned Pelzer&#8217;s book A CHILD CALLED IT. Pelzer&#8217;s own family members dispute the claims in that book. Regardless if the book is accurate or not, critics were amazed by his &#8220;courage &#8230; and fearlessness&#8221; to come forward and tell his story. </p>
<p>Why not be appalled by that book, too? It makes no sense. Here, you have several people telling stories of abuse, etc. (something that takes place on Oprah on any given show) and they are considered pornographers. Danuta was way off base here.</p>
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		<title>By: LornaS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LornaS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Andrew. I was alarmed at Danuta Kean&#039;s suggestion victims should keep quiet, as though they had something to be ashamed of. I come from a really happy home and without frank accounts such as these, many like me would remain completely clueless. When Dave Pelzer was being abused in the 70s, there were few laws to protect him and teachers had to risk their careers to save him, thanks to the traditional aversion Danuta Kean prizes. Similarly Jane Elliott tells how neighbours looked the other way and did nothing. The bravery of these stories has de-bunked many myths long cherished by many; That only strangers hurt chidren, that women do not abuse children, that child abusers are obvious misfits unable to present a decent facade to the world. We&#039;re all responsible for the children in our world and as as such we need to know what happens to them sometimes, and why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Andrew. I was alarmed at Danuta Kean&#8217;s suggestion victims should keep quiet, as though they had something to be ashamed of. I come from a really happy home and without frank accounts such as these, many like me would remain completely clueless. When Dave Pelzer was being abused in the 70s, there were few laws to protect him and teachers had to risk their careers to save him, thanks to the traditional aversion Danuta Kean prizes. Similarly Jane Elliott tells how neighbours looked the other way and did nothing. The bravery of these stories has de-bunked many myths long cherished by many; That only strangers hurt chidren, that women do not abuse children, that child abusers are obvious misfits unable to present a decent facade to the world. We&#8217;re all responsible for the children in our world and as as such we need to know what happens to them sometimes, and why.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Crofts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Crofts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was alarmed to find myself christened &quot;The King of Misery&quot; by Danuta in her piece, and I am grateful to you for your balanced comments above.I believe it is crucial that children who have been abused but have managed to survive and triumph over their backgrounds should be allowed, and even encouraged, to tell their stories in their own words. One of the reasons child abuse has thrived down the ages is because decent people find it such a hard subject to think about and discuss with any candour. By averting our eyes and choosing not to face the facts in all their stark horror, we have accidentally given the abusers a licence to continue. When an author writes a &quot;misery memoir&quot;, it may be the first time they have ever been listened to or believed by society in general (they have nearly always told their stories to therapists, policemen and lawyers in private, and sometimes to judges and juries). It would be a terrible step backwards if we allowed our squeamishness to stop them from coming forward and talking frankly, teaching the rest of us exactly what goes on behind closed doors so that we can work out better ways to stop it, and better ways to help those who have been damaged by it. You cannot hope to find a cure for any cancer without studying the full horror of the disease in &quot;graphic&quot; detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was alarmed to find myself christened &#8220;The King of Misery&#8221; by Danuta in her piece, and I am grateful to you for your balanced comments above.I believe it is crucial that children who have been abused but have managed to survive and triumph over their backgrounds should be allowed, and even encouraged, to tell their stories in their own words. One of the reasons child abuse has thrived down the ages is because decent people find it such a hard subject to think about and discuss with any candour. By averting our eyes and choosing not to face the facts in all their stark horror, we have accidentally given the abusers a licence to continue. When an author writes a &#8220;misery memoir&#8221;, it may be the first time they have ever been listened to or believed by society in general (they have nearly always told their stories to therapists, policemen and lawyers in private, and sometimes to judges and juries). It would be a terrible step backwards if we allowed our squeamishness to stop them from coming forward and talking frankly, teaching the rest of us exactly what goes on behind closed doors so that we can work out better ways to stop it, and better ways to help those who have been damaged by it. You cannot hope to find a cure for any cancer without studying the full horror of the disease in &#8220;graphic&#8221; detail.</p>
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		<title>By: AussieCarls</title>
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		<dc:creator>AussieCarls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see both sides of the argument here. I have read several of the types of books this woman talks about and while they are harrowing to read I don&#039;t think they come anywhere near being pornography (remember also that pornography is often a contextual description - a kids clothes catalogue is just that for most people but for a paedophile it can act as a stimulus).  My interest is in the impact of the crime on a victim, how they deal with it, I guess. Sometimes though I really don&#039;t want to read all the details. The best books skim the details to give you an idea of what happenened without spelling it all out. As for books that are traumatic to read I have to put some of the top American ones in the catagory of read once then leave on the shelf because they affect me so much (unusual as I mostly read my books until they fall apart).

I think in Australia we get better quality British TC books than American. Often to get the top selling American TC books we have to order them in which is a pain. Most of the ones on the shelves at a book store are what I call pulp. An example of this is that I haven&#039;t been able to buy off the shelf any of the new Ann Rule books for the past two years.

I do think that it comes down to the fact that as long as there is a market for any type of book they will continue to be published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see both sides of the argument here. I have read several of the types of books this woman talks about and while they are harrowing to read I don&#8217;t think they come anywhere near being pornography (remember also that pornography is often a contextual description &#8211; a kids clothes catalogue is just that for most people but for a paedophile it can act as a stimulus).  My interest is in the impact of the crime on a victim, how they deal with it, I guess. Sometimes though I really don&#8217;t want to read all the details. The best books skim the details to give you an idea of what happenened without spelling it all out. As for books that are traumatic to read I have to put some of the top American ones in the catagory of read once then leave on the shelf because they affect me so much (unusual as I mostly read my books until they fall apart).</p>
<p>I think in Australia we get better quality British TC books than American. Often to get the top selling American TC books we have to order them in which is a pain. Most of the ones on the shelves at a book store are what I call pulp. An example of this is that I haven&#8217;t been able to buy off the shelf any of the new Ann Rule books for the past two years.</p>
<p>I do think that it comes down to the fact that as long as there is a market for any type of book they will continue to be published.</p>
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		<title>By: KimPossible</title>
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		<dc:creator>KimPossible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post Anna1.</description>
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		<title>By: anna1</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most of us have had thoughts of ringing the necks our mates in a moment of anger, or during a lover&#039;s spat, or having a bit of road rage or wanting to beat the living tar out of anyone that we feel has wronged us. You all know you&#039;ve wanted to kick your bosses a** on many occasions. lol.

But most of us can&#039;t fathom wanting to do horrible things to children and I think that&#039;s why we are extraordinarily fascinated by this subject. We just can&#039;t wrap our brains around it. And we so want to figure it out.  

I, myself, have a history of being abused. I am even finding it hard to type those words and can&#039;t even bring myself to specify the type of abuse because it is so uncomfortable for me. The only reason I can even type this is because it&#039;s pretty anonymous. So, for me, the thought of writing a book about it is out of the question. I don&#039;t even care if it were written after the death of the abuser/s and with all the names changed as well as my own. Never! It&#039;s just not worth it to me.

But then, I&#039;ve met MANY people in who will come right out and tell you, within the first five minutes of even KNOWING them, that they were raped or sexually molested as a child, or beaten by their husbands...you name it. This without them even having an inclination of my past! I&#039;ve come to feel that these people have been so severely hurt that they are past carring about stigma or shame and are by this time just crying out for help to heal their pained souls. 

The fact is, everyone is different in how they handle their situations. So, I don&#039;t think there will ever be a definitive answer as to whether these books are beneficial or not. Whether they are &quot;misery porn&quot; or &quot;self help&quot;. I have no clue. 

Thanks for the room to vent. That actually felt kind of cathartic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most of us have had thoughts of ringing the necks our mates in a moment of anger, or during a lover&#8217;s spat, or having a bit of road rage or wanting to beat the living tar out of anyone that we feel has wronged us. You all know you&#8217;ve wanted to kick your bosses a** on many occasions. lol.</p>
<p>But most of us can&#8217;t fathom wanting to do horrible things to children and I think that&#8217;s why we are extraordinarily fascinated by this subject. We just can&#8217;t wrap our brains around it. And we so want to figure it out.  </p>
<p>I, myself, have a history of being abused. I am even finding it hard to type those words and can&#8217;t even bring myself to specify the type of abuse because it is so uncomfortable for me. The only reason I can even type this is because it&#8217;s pretty anonymous. So, for me, the thought of writing a book about it is out of the question. I don&#8217;t even care if it were written after the death of the abuser/s and with all the names changed as well as my own. Never! It&#8217;s just not worth it to me.</p>
<p>But then, I&#8217;ve met MANY people in who will come right out and tell you, within the first five minutes of even KNOWING them, that they were raped or sexually molested as a child, or beaten by their husbands&#8230;you name it. This without them even having an inclination of my past! I&#8217;ve come to feel that these people have been so severely hurt that they are past carring about stigma or shame and are by this time just crying out for help to heal their pained souls. </p>
<p>The fact is, everyone is different in how they handle their situations. So, I don&#8217;t think there will ever be a definitive answer as to whether these books are beneficial or not. Whether they are &#8220;misery porn&#8221; or &#8220;self help&#8221;. I have no clue. </p>
<p>Thanks for the room to vent. That actually felt kind of cathartic.</p>
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		<title>By: TV &#187; True Crime in the UK: Selling Misery to the Masses</title>
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		<dc:creator>TV &#187; True Crime in the UK: Selling Misery to the Masses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Todd Ogasawara wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThe 1990s saw a major decline from the 80s, as cable TV and “crime news” became more popular. Today the industry is—albeit slowly—creeping up once again, but is nowhere near the numbers from the 70s and 80s. &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Todd Ogasawara wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptThe 1990s saw a major decline from the 80s, as cable TV and “crime news” became more popular. Today the industry is—albeit slowly—creeping up once again, but is nowhere near the numbers from the 70s and 80s. &#8230; [...]</p>
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